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Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#2041 - 2013-09-26 15:32:57 UTC
Walking in Stations is the perfect way to bring EVE, DUST, and Valkyrie together. Getting players from different games able to interact in a unified social environment. I really wish CCP would restart this work.

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Maximus Andendare
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#2042 - 2013-09-26 15:37:19 UTC
CCP Bayesian wrote:
Irya Boone wrote:
So why for god Sake did you worked ON DUST and Valkyrie can you explain that to me because i don't get it at all , people never ask you for dust and you put ressources to do it , people ask you for avatar exploration and " LET me get Out of this F... CQ" but you can't put ressources on it ... but you wasted Money , time , ressources for DUST 514 , and NO ONE ask you do that.

And How valkyrie came alive , a little Video game designer fairy do it alone in the country of the fairies to create it ?


Again these are decisions made by the Executive Board so I can't speak on their behalf. CCP is a company and these large scale decisions are like it or not business ones. Are they decisions everyone agrees with? Of course not but ultimately we at a development level can only pitch things and hope the timing and will works out. Which is very much the case for Valkyrie as not only did it get astonishing press but it coincided well with our Newcastle development team finishing their work on Dust.
I think many people are just upset that you guys continually say that you'd really like to work on more WiS when--honestly--you and I both know there's not a snowball's chance in hell of future iteration being done. The reason will ALWAYS be "we need more internet spaceships," even when that just means that you're going to reskin existing ships (Navy BCs) or worse, you'll just tweak the numbers of already-existing ships, which has nothing to do with the art dept or creating new assets.

I wish you guys would just come right out and say that WiS is dead. The area beyond "the door" will never be pressurized for capsuleers to use, and we're doomed to one of four interior rooms and environments. And certainly with this being the case, stop spending money on creating things like sleeve tattoos that people won't see (I have one on right now) and adding in clothing as "value-added" for promotional items like the Collector's Edition.

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Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#2043 - 2013-09-26 15:42:59 UTC
WiS has to happen. CCP needs to recognize that if games like Star Citizen can offer ten percent of what they're promising, EVE is going to take a huge hit without development of things like WiS.

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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#2044 - 2013-09-26 15:44:59 UTC
Quote:
I wish you guys would just come right out and say that WiS is dead.


Say it to this Executive Board.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2045 - 2013-09-26 15:45:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Crasniya wrote:
WiS has to happen. CCP needs to recognize that if games like Star Citizen can offer ten percent of what they're promising, EVE is going to take a huge hit without development of things like WiS.


No, it doesn't. No, they don't and no, it won't.

If you can actually prove your assertions, please do show your work.

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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#2046 - 2013-09-26 15:50:56 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Hey CCP Bayesian, I understood what you and CCP Unifex wrote and that although no development is being done on the EVA/WiS project at the moment it might be continued when the Executive Board wants to (soon™). What I and other folks who already posted before me still don't understand is why do they hesitate in investing into this project's development when it seems to gather so much support from the players and be sure to attract new subscribers, while throwing resources at other EVE game projects with dubious future revenue.

If and when you guys get reunited with the suits again, please tell em that we got $$$greens$$$ for them, all they gotta do to get em is give us what we want (EVA/WiS and all EVE games on PC). Not that hard is it? Suits, if you're reading this, quit messing around with that reivented wheel and pumping the CCPeen. It's already big enough. Start doing what you should be doing (getting our money instead of letting us go spend it in another games).
Irya Boone
The Scope
#2047 - 2013-09-26 15:55:02 UTC
CCP Bayesian wrote:
Irya Boone wrote:
So why for god Sake did you worked ON DUST and Valkyrie can you explain that to me because i don't get it at all , people never ask you for dust and you put ressources to do it , people ask you for avatar exploration and " LET me get Out of this F... CQ" but you can't put ressources on it ... but you wasted Money , time , ressources for DUST 514 , and NO ONE ask you do that.

And How valkyrie came alive , a little Video game designer fairy do it alone in the country of the fairies to create it ?


Again these are decisions made by the Executive Board so I can't speak on their behalf. CCP is a company and these large scale decisions are like it or not business ones. Are they decisions everyone agrees with? Of course not but ultimately we at a development level can only pitch things and hope the timing and will works out. Which is very much the case for Valkyrie as not only did it get astonishing press but it coincided well with our Newcastle development team finishing their work on Dust.



Executive Board do they play the game , do they come on the forums sometimes , because if not it would make sense.

When people listen to customers they get good results sometimes ( and show them the 100 pages here)

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#2048 - 2013-09-26 16:12:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Executive Board demands more than 100 pages forum thread with mostly the same people over and over again posting in it. Look at the effects we have until now.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#2049 - 2013-09-26 16:15:17 UTC
Crasniya wrote:
WiS has to happen. CCP needs to recognize that if games like Star Citizen can offer ten percent of what they're promising, EVE is going to take a huge hit without development of things like WiS.


This sounds strangely familiar.

"When game X is launched EvE is going to die".

And so far it hasn't happened.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2050 - 2013-09-26 16:22:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Soulpirate
CCP Bayesian wrote:
Irya Boone wrote:
So why for god Sake did you worked ON DUST and Valkyrie can you explain that to me because i don't get it at all , people never ask you for dust and you put ressources to do it , people ask you for avatar exploration and " LET me get Out of this F... CQ" but you can't put ressources on it ... but you wasted Money , time , ressources for DUST 514 , and NO ONE ask you do that.

And How valkyrie came alive , a little Video game designer fairy do it alone in the country of the fairies to create it ?


Again these are decisions made by the Executive Board so I can't speak on their behalf. CCP is a company and these large scale decisions are like it or not business ones. Are they decisions everyone agrees with? Of course not but ultimately we at a development level can only pitch things and hope the timing and will works out. Which is very much the case for Valkyrie as not only did it get astonishing press but it coincided well with our Newcastle development team finishing their work on Dust.


DIdn't WiS get astonishing press when you first announced it? Didn't it coincide with there being no other projects on the go at the time?

On the topic of the "meaningfull gameplay" excuse. Who defines what's meaningfull? I mean people will
foam at the mouth if you tell them simple social interaction is gameplay, or even bars with gambling of some
sort, yet in the absence of CCP adding such an isk sink or interaction, SOMER has capitalized on a demand
thats CCP seems to be unwilling to admit exsists or is simply incapable of delivering.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#2051 - 2013-09-26 16:26:26 UTC
Lors Dornick wrote:
Crasniya wrote:
WiS has to happen. CCP needs to recognize that if games like Star Citizen can offer ten percent of what they're promising, EVE is going to take a huge hit without development of things like WiS.


This sounds strangely familiar.

"When game X is launched EvE is going to die".

And so far it hasn't happened.



It will not happen now ,but it will happen .

It is one of the reasons ,that CCP makes out of EvE games

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J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2052 - 2013-09-26 16:30:49 UTC
CCP Bayesian wrote:
Basically the ball is in the court at the executive level in CCP. As per Unifex's post on the first page:

Quote:
The result of that planning highlighted that right now, we do not have the time or people to build this without impacting what we can deliver for our players who are flying in space. To create this will mean a considerable investment which will take time to put together and also a new focus for us just at a time when we as a company have another new game coming into the EVE Universe (yes DUST 514, I’m looking at you).

So, all that being said, we have a great concept to expand the EVE Universe but now is not the right time for us to take that step. It’s a step I very much want to take but I want to take it when it won’t mean removing developers and focus from flying in space. So, for the time being, watch this space with regards to exploration gameplay for EVE avatars.


There are a bunch of people internally still enthusiastic about creating some things to actually do as an avatar but until such time as it's a priority for our Executive Board it's not going to happen.



Maybe those enthusiastic devs should go shoot a monument in Reyjkavik till the Board relents! Shocked
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CCP Bayesian
#2053 - 2013-09-26 16:33:39 UTC
Soulpirate wrote:
DIdn't WiS get astonishing press when you first announced it? Didn't it coincide with there being no other projects on the go at the time?


I have no idea but ultimately either the will or the resources weren't there otherwise we'd be ambulating around rather than talking about it.

Soulpirate wrote:
On the topic of the "meaningfull gameplay" excuse. Who defines what's meaningfull? I mean people will
foam at the mouth if you tell them simple social interaction is gameplay, or even bars with gambling of some
sort, yet in the absence of CCP adding such an isk sink or interaction, SOMER has capitalized on a demand
thats CCP seems to be unwilling to admit exsists or is simply incapable of delivering.


Meaningful in this instance meant that there was some core gameplay that really required you to be an avatar rather than having stuff that occurs whilst your avatar just happens to be stood around.

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Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
#2054 - 2013-09-26 16:44:48 UTC
CCP Bayesian wrote:
Meaningful in this instance meant that there was some core gameplay that really required you to be an avatar rather than having stuff that occurs whilst your avatar just happens to be stood around.


I remember a big part of the outrage was requiring ambulation to accomplish anything. It was going to have to be something totally new because if it affected existing game play in the slightest there was outrage. As cool as exploration would have been in the end too many would have cried because instead of hack/get bacon it would have involved game play.

This community is really good at outrage. Oh, look, new Gold Magnates...

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#2055 - 2013-09-26 16:46:48 UTC
CCP Bayesian wrote:


Soulpirate wrote:
On the topic of the "meaningfull gameplay" excuse. Who defines what's meaningfull? I mean people will
foam at the mouth if you tell them simple social interaction is gameplay, or even bars with gambling of some
sort, yet in the absence of CCP adding such an isk sink or interaction, SOMER has capitalized on a demand
thats CCP seems to be unwilling to admit exsists or is simply incapable of delivering.


Meaningful in this instance meant that there was some core gameplay that really required you to be an avatar rather than having stuff that occurs whilst your avatar just happens to be stood around.


But we do not even have that for spaceships. The entire game could be played via spreadsheets alone. In fact in large fleets the screen can be so covered with windows that the game is in fact played that way for all practical purposes.

If spaceship graphics are not needed for spaceship play, why are you placing that requirement on avatar play?

As an aside, when I was at CalTech (late 1970's) we had a spaceship game that consisted of 2 teams fighting in an arena. It could be played over teletypes producing text at 11 characters per second.

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J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2056 - 2013-09-26 16:50:55 UTC
On a serious note, there are people who are literally throwing money at their screen just because SC is going to be a well rounded space sim .. with WiS, exploration/EVA, ship boarding. I personally have put over $600 into SC already JUST BECAUSE OF THOSE FEATURES and I know a few others Eve players who have put in more. If Eve offered a similar future we'd be doing the same here.
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Red Rock Mining Company
#2057 - 2013-09-26 16:56:02 UTC
J3ssica Alba wrote:
On a serious note, there are people who are literally throwing money at their screen just because SC is going to be a well rounded space sim .. with WiS, exploration/EVA, ship boarding. I personally have put over $600 into SC already JUST BECAUSE OF THOSE FEATURES and I know a few others Eve players who have put in more. If Eve offered a similar future we'd be doing the same here.


I wonder how much CCP would raise if they had a Kickstarter to add those features. I'd certainly chip in.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2058 - 2013-09-26 16:58:59 UTC
J3ssica Alba wrote:
On a serious note, there are people who are literally throwing money at their screen just because SC is going promised to be a well rounded space sim .. with WiS, exploration/EVA, ship boarding. I personally have put over $600 into SC already JUST BECAUSE OF THOSE FEATURES and I know a few others Eve players who have put in more. If Eve offered a similar future we'd be doing the same here.


FYP.

/A fool and their money....

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#2059 - 2013-09-26 17:00:23 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
J3ssica Alba wrote:
On a serious note, there are people who are literally throwing money at their screen just because SC is going promised to be a well rounded space sim .. with WiS, exploration/EVA, ship boarding. I personally have put over $600 into SC already JUST BECAUSE OF THOSE FEATURES and I know a few others Eve players who have put in more. If Eve offered a similar future we'd be doing the same here.


FYP.

/A fool and their money....



Then perhaps Eve better start advertising itself to fools, because fools gave SC $22m. They are a business after all.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2060 - 2013-09-26 17:02:26 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
J3ssica Alba wrote:
On a serious note, there are people who are literally throwing money at their screen just because SC is going promised to be a well rounded space sim .. with WiS, exploration/EVA, ship boarding. I personally have put over $600 into SC already JUST BECAUSE OF THOSE FEATURES and I know a few others Eve players who have put in more. If Eve offered a similar future we'd be doing the same here.


FYP.

/A fool and their money....



Then perhaps Eve better start advertising itself to fools...


I'm pretty convinced CCP already does that.

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