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Team Avatar and the future of our prototype

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Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1981 - 2013-09-23 16:00:55 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Well, I'm looking forward to seeing what Hilmar will have to say about it at Fanfest with it next year, personally, regardless of the nay-sayers.

And for a moment, what if nothing is said or done concerning avatar gaming?

Will another year pass and those desiring avatar gaming keep their subscription while threatening to unsub? Will there be claims that unless Eve has avatar gaming, it will be doomed? Will other games be brought into the mix as the course of action for CCP to get it together or else there will be a mass exodus? Will this thread continue onward practically repeating itself?
Cade Windstalker
#1982 - 2013-09-23 16:18:37 UTC
Guttripper wrote:
Interesting that CCP must be the only company that has disgruntled (ex)employees...


Oh I never said that. I provided a couple other examples of odd company ratings a few pages back, and I decided to look up a local company that's been rated one of the best places in the country to work and it has a hilariously low rating, but only four people rated it.

Overall, not a very trustworthy source.
Jace Errata
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1983 - 2013-09-23 16:31:17 UTC
Guttripper wrote:
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Well, I'm looking forward to seeing what Hilmar will have to say about it at Fanfest with it next year, personally, regardless of the nay-sayers.

And for a moment, what if nothing is said or done concerning avatar gaming?

Will another year pass and those desiring avatar gaming keep their subscription while threatening to unsub? Will there be claims that unless Eve has avatar gaming, it will be doomed? Will other games be brought into the mix as the course of action for CCP to get it together or else there will be a mass exodus?

I'm sure there will be claims like that made, but personally I don't put any stock in them. Not for quite a few years, at least.
Eventually, technology will get to the point where WIS is a "why haven't they done it yet?" feature, and then it might start having an effect, but that's a ways off. Until then, WIS is something lots of people want, but it won't hurt the game to not have.

However, I'm not saying it won't benefit the game either. WIS is nigh-guaranteed to bring in extra subscribers, and making existing players happy is almost never bad. It has the ability to be a near-unique selling point, and if done properly could contribute immensely to gameplay and general atmosphere.

So no, I don't think there will be a disaster because of it, but really, after Incarna WIS can only go up. They've got the foothold with CQ; the awkward bit is done. From here they've got a lot of improvements to go after, and not really any way to make it worse.

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Will this thread continue onward practically repeating itself?

When do threads like this not? P

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Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#1984 - 2013-09-23 18:44:05 UTC
I demand another year and 100 more pages of discussion! Twisted

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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1985 - 2013-09-23 19:00:03 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Well, I'm looking forward to seeing what Hilmar will have to say about it at Fanfest with it next year, personally, regardless of the nay-sayers.



Will be the same as the last one .
Yelling that the audience "Who wants the door open?"
Then gets a crazy look on his face ,when almost everybody say ,YES!!!!!!!!

R.S.I2014

Isabella Montague
#1986 - 2013-09-23 19:03:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Isabella Montague
Jace Errata wrote:
So no, I don't think there will be a disaster because of it, but really, after Incarna WIS can only go up. They've got the foothold with CQ; the awkward bit is done. From here they've got a lot of improvements to go after, and not really any way to make it worse.


It's really touching to see what they decided to put WiS on hold indefinitely for.

They'd rather devote time and money to an FPS that most EVE players will never play (because they don't own a PS3), and PS3 FPS players consider a mediocre shooter at best. Why build on something great (where all your PAYING customers are) when you can be mediocre somewhere else?
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#1987 - 2013-09-23 19:59:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Jace Errata wrote:
Guttripper wrote:

And for a moment, what if nothing is said or done concerning avatar gaming?

Will another year pass and those desiring avatar gaming keep their subscription while threatening to unsub? Will there be claims that unless Eve has avatar gaming, it will be doomed? Will other games be brought into the mix as the course of action for CCP to get it together or else there will be a mass exodus?

I'm sure there will be claims like that made, but personally I don't put any stock in them. Not for quite a few years, at least.
Eventually, technology will get to the point where WIS is a "why haven't they done it yet?" feature, and then it might start having an effect, but that's a ways off. Until then, WIS is something lots of people want, but it won't hurt the game to not have.

However, I'm not saying it won't benefit the game either. WIS is nigh-guaranteed to bring in extra subscribers, and making existing players happy is almost never bad. It has the ability to be a near-unique selling point, and if done properly could contribute immensely to gameplay and general atmosphere.

So no, I don't think there will be a disaster because of it, but really, after Incarna WIS can only go up. They've got the foothold with CQ; the awkward bit is done. From here they've got a lot of improvements to go after, and not really any way to make it worse.


This guy pretty much gets it. At least from my stand point.

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Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#1988 - 2013-09-23 22:19:36 UTC
I hope CCP still develops WiS in the background but after the initial Incarna fiasco I would be surprised if we hear a single peep about it before it is done.

I must say the character parts of the official trailers seems to improve each time they are released.
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#1989 - 2013-09-24 02:02:28 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Mashie Saldana wrote:
I hope CCP still develops WiS in the background but after the initial Incarna fiasco I would be surprised if we hear a single peep about it before it is done.

I must say the character parts of the official trailers seems to improve each time they are released.


It's possible and wouldn't surprise me to see such situation happen where they would deny vehemently all the way that any Avatar gameplay was in development or would ever be released to the game (note this is not the case) and at an expansion preview or launch date suddenly announce it as a fully developed feature ready to be deployed.

Look at some of CCP's employees and their practices like the Chief Marketing Officer CMO David Reid (ex NCSoft and Trion Worlds) who is famous for giving this interview about NCSoft's Tabula Rasa stating that "it was an AAA title and was here to stay" just before they announced its closure Twisted Anybody watching these people adress communities should stock up on big piles of trust ready to be sucked while the show goes on and sticks to set off all the traps coming from their speech.
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#1990 - 2013-09-24 02:49:01 UTC
100th page of the thread! We can celebrate its birthday in 16 days (Oct, 9). Quite an achievement for a thread about content which nobody want (as devs obviously think).

To compare: longest thread I see in Dust forum is 3-page "long" conversation about boycotting Dust.
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ISD Alliance
#1991 - 2013-09-24 03:40:32 UTC
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Flamespar
WarRavens
#1992 - 2013-09-24 04:44:48 UTC
Say what you want about Dust514. But their Devs are highly communicative, they comment on multiple threads all the time.

And then there is this forum .....
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1993 - 2013-09-24 08:28:55 UTC
Mashie Saldana wrote:
I hope CCP still develops WiS in the background but after the initial Incarna fiasco I would be surprised if we hear a single peep about it before it is done.

I must say the character parts of the official trailers seems to improve each time they are released.


Wel, they may be improving their CGI skills... Lol

...but CGI is the opposite of ingame footage, which used to be the way CCP advertised EVE. The cognitive disonance between using human avatars in your advertisements and not have any use to human avatars in yoru game is kind of funny and only grows funnier upon time.

Looks like CCP has got PTSD about vatars. Or maybe just they fired everyone related to avatars, the few remaining have quit the company an all in all they're hoping that hired talent will rescue them from the horrible mess they put themselves in two years ago.

EVE and CCP have been unning on emergency mode since Incarna, and the stakes with the Hallelujah Plan and its herald, the winter expansion, are terribly high.

Neither CCP nor EVE nor the players can afford another bag of hot air like Odyssey. 100 one-pennies of reheated porridge don't make for a 1 pound of hot bacon.

And, personally, they better get their stuff right with marauders, because they're planting a shitstorm with the current disgrace of iteration proposal ("shitstorm" as in "it has been consistently blasted out of the water for 100+ pages of threadnaught and almost 3 weeks without any CCP feedback, so then don't come at us saying we didn't bloody warn you").

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Irya Boone
The Scope
#1994 - 2013-09-24 10:13:09 UTC
Open that door already ^^

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB

Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#1995 - 2013-09-24 10:52:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Isabella Montague wrote:
It's really touching to see what they decided to put WiS on hold indefinitely for.

They'd rather devote time and money to an FPS that most EVE players will never play (because they don't own a PS3), and PS3 FPS players consider a mediocre shooter at best. Why build on something great (where all your PAYING customers are) when you can be mediocre somewhere else?


Be-cuas - INNOVESHANNN!

...pledged to SC and ED yesterday, by the way, and it felt quite good. Blink

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1996 - 2013-09-24 11:17:17 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Isabella Montague wrote:
It's really touching to see what they decided to put WiS on hold indefinitely for.

They'd rather devote time and money to an FPS that most EVE players will never play (because they don't own a PS3), and PS3 FPS players consider a mediocre shooter at best. Why build on something great (where all your PAYING customers are) when you can be mediocre somewhere else?


Be-cuas - INNOVESHANNN!

...pledged to SC and ED yesterday, by the way, and it felt quite good. Blink


Heh, welcome to the bandwagon. Even although SC's avatar content is unlikely to be my piece of cake, it seeks to deliver a SF universe with both humans and their war machines, and they're alone since CCP has given up.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#1997 - 2013-09-24 11:43:30 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Heh, welcome to the bandwagon. Even although SC's avatar content is unlikely to be my piece of cake, it seeks to deliver a SF universe with both humans and their war machines, and they're alone since CCP has given up.


I wouldn't be too sure about the avatar system of SC yet... it maybe very basic right now, but it's only a placeholder, and with the amount of social interactivity/space they have planned, I'm pretty sure we'll see quite an array of cloths and accessories, as soon as the game gets rolling.

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1998 - 2013-09-24 11:55:50 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Heh, welcome to the bandwagon. Even although SC's avatar content is unlikely to be my piece of cake, it seeks to deliver a SF universe with both humans and their war machines, and they're alone since CCP has given up.


I wouldn't be too sure about the avatar system of SC yet... it maybe very basic right now, but it's only a placeholder, and with the amount of social interactivity/space they have planned, I'm pretty sure we'll see quite an array of cloths and accessories, as soon as the game gets rolling.


Chris Roberts' style is of making "boys" games.

All female characters (few, anyway) in his games where closer to the Starbuck type, not the Caprica Six type. Lol

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#1999 - 2013-09-24 12:08:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Chris Roberts' style is of making "boys" games.

All female characters (few, anyway) in his games where closer to the Starbuck type, not the Caprica Six type. Lol


That maybe true, but luckily, he's not solely responsible for the artistic style of the game... and personally, I could live with a flight suit like that. Blink

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#2000 - 2013-09-24 12:42:46 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Chris Roberts' style is of making "boys" games.

All female characters (few, anyway) in his games where closer to the Starbuck type, not the Caprica Six type. Lol


That maybe true, but luckily, he's not solely responsible for the artistic style of the game... and personally, I could live with a flight suit like that. Blink


Err... +1 tlig...errr, flight suit. Lol

(But then, a capsuleer's "flight suit" is even comfier...)

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you