EVE General Discussion

The implication has been that the fork in Carbon developement between the versions of Carbon WoD uses and Eve uses is so great that cross integration will be difficult/impossible. I vaguely remembering there being an entire threadnaught about it at some point.

Actually, yes, yes it will. There are plenty of ways to get the attention of the dev-team without canceling your subscription.

Posting on the forums is one of those ways. If they know there's interest in something they're more likely to invest time and money into it.



That's somewhat questionable, any source on that thread and was there any CCP involvement or was it just players speculating into a frenzy?

Plus forking doesn't mean that they can't reintegrate the fork back into the main branch thus bringing all its optimizations and improvements.

Posting on forums doesn't pay the bills. This thread is a year old...CCP is well aware of what handful of role players and furries want and when they compare that to the number of people who stopped paying them last time they tried WiS it is not hard to see why they haven't tried again.

Cool, bookmarked. However, there's nothing in there about Carbon's fork meaning it's unusable for Eve or WiS, just that the WoD team was disentangled from the Eve one.



Right, you are free to quit when WiS eventually comes back around.

And actually CCP is pretty well aware that there's interest from a lot of people on WiS content, provided it doesn't look like it's going to overwhelm WiS content and ties into the rest of the game, not just the groups you seem intent on marginalizing. Threads like this remind CCP that there is still interest in WiS and related topics and that people are still interested in it. If the thread dies and nothing new starts up then CCP are likely to place WiS content on a slightly lower priority.

As to why they haven't continued to iterate on WiS content... probably because they wanted to focus on in-space stuff first. It's been repeatedly reiterated by CCP that WiS isn't dead and that they do have plans to return to it in the future. If you have a problem with that then maybe you should un-sub and list "heard you were going to keep developing WiS in the future" in the reason field?

True... and CCP doesn't shy away from saying something is dead when, indeed it is dead... like planetary flight.

I don't talk about "that game"... I don't even own a PS3. vOv

You're close, but I don't think guilt is exactly what we're seeing presented here. He clearly has strong, intense emotions whenever avatar gameplay is mentioned, yet those feeling confuse and frighten him because his self-image is so closely associated with spaceship flying. Cognitive dissonance is created when a person who fancies themselves a spaceship pilot first and foremost, whose very identity is constructed around PvP, finds the very mention of walking in stations to be arousing. This cognitive dissonance presents itself as forum rage. The ruse is childishly transparent and obvious to even the most casual observer, but to the PvPer harboring a secret need to walk in stations, it is necessary to their very notion of their own identity.

More seriously, the Incarna debacle was not over WiS, but over microtransactions. More specifically, over fears that CCP would move to a play to win strategy similar to Diablo.

If server activity is a rough proxy for paying customers, Eve has been fluctuating around 30K for the last 4 years. Do we have numbers for paid accounts? I don't think we do, but please correct me if I'm wrong. Here's Tranquility activity. There is a summer lull after Incarna (June 2011), but another similar one happens the next year (June 2012). Although this summer was historically busy. I don't see much evidence for the claim that Incarna caused people to stop paying, I see even less evidence for the claim that it was avatar gameplay rather than microtransactions that caused people to get angry.

The fact that CCP created this thread (in October 2012, i.e. after Incarna) to talk about avatar gameplay specifically rebuts the claim that CCP was scared off by the Incarna backlash (again June 2011).

WiS / avatar exploration sites are coming. I hope we don't have to wait much longer for it.

Indeed, and also the fear of being deemed inconsistent or rejected by others seems to be venting this disgruntled opposition to Avatar gameplay. A defense mechanism to cope with an inner conflict. One that puts on one side the morality preached by him and his social group, and on the other side his inner desire to engage in activities that are apparently frowned upon by them.
But realising that their past actions might have contributed to the game's loss of terrain in the competition it is going to be having with other titles in the coming times seems also to be one of the causes of this sulky reaction.

True, but I still think that's what we will get... alteast this time and maybe next summer... after that, we'll see.

Just saying, right now CCP is handing 50% discount to returning players: resub and get 30 days of gameplay + 30 days of dual training for just 14,95 €, only until September 29th.

Doesn't looks good.


PS: this year they're not holding "EVE on a beach" and they've been experiencing hardware issues for some months. Cutting down non-essential expenses?