EVE General Discussion

Avatar game play should be in spirit of Eve as a whole.

I'm sure most of us would rather see it this way. Carebears including. It would not make sense to dock in a lowsec station and have a Quafe at the same bar as any local while expecting nothing to happen. Sure, capsuleers could pay a fee for their protection if they take that option to open the door that separates their safe quarters from hostile station environment. It could be mercs/station security bots. Could be Concord security bots in highsec, which in case of wardec would "suddenly" decide not to interfere in capsuleer affairs, unless you pay extra fee. And so on and so forth.

I am sure many similar ideas were discussed by CCP design teams or suggested by players before.
Problem is any extensive avatar gameplay would probably require as much resources (financial & dev team size wise) required as a separate game. What CCP should've done is work on WiS as a separate game instead of spending so much on DUST, which is not a good enough to compete in harsh FPS market.

WiS could be fully tied into exploration, which would involve exploration in first place and not a boring deus ex rip off minigame.

If WiS were implemented it should not hinder eve, rather should boost interaction between not only players but with the game client itself. That means there should be much better interface. CQ in current form doesn't provide that and it is one of many reasons most people prefer staying in ship hangar anyway.

That was not actually the question, I was referring to WIS specifically being (re)released as a theme park and/or with only theme park features, and not EVE becoming a theme park overall. Original point being, if you want to get more people on board with WIS development, start talking about the risks, rewards, and consequences, and not the potential for CQ decorum or theoretical MT revenue. The latter two do not seem to sell very well (pun intended) given the current player base. Emergent gameplay does not simply work itself out, well thought-out tools and resources need to be in place first.

I am also fully aware of forms of PVP other than shooty-in-face. WIS should provide all PVP types if possible, and CCP has made noises in that direction. So, whatever that still means 2 years from now.



Perhaps. That thread also illustrates perfectly how vocal and vehement players become when CCP messes with the cold/harsh sandbox aspect of EVE real, or perceived. That thread's 20-40 page predecessors had to be locked something like 2 or 3 times, and it's still going. Gaming news sites and popular player blogs are covering it. Glean from that whatever you will, a significant bit of the community is participating in the debate here and elsewhere regardless.

True... personally I don't really care about the ToS changes... not so much because they don't really concern me, but because I believe that they aren't nearly as dramatic as people think. Now, if you ask me if they are an indication that CCP is going in an undesirable direction with their game... I can't really speculate on that.

Back on topic: Ok then, let's brain-storm about the possible risk/reward concepts WiS could include... I mean, other then loosing money gambling.

Let's say, the concept of DUST inplants enables capsuleers to shoot each other, that would be the first, very obvious risk then... especially considering that low-sec stations and POS'es would have very light/bribable/biased scurity... high sec stations, on the other hand would be rather save places, maybe even prohibiting the use of weapons... at least openly. That gives us the risk for life and limb... and the reward? Well, the possibillity to loot gear and implants would be thinkable.

Another concept comes to mind when you think about the nature of hightech scifie... hacking.

It has been established that capsuleers are connected to Neocron non stop, even without them sitting in their capsules. Now, who is to say that, if one could get physically close to another, there wouldn't be the possibility to hack their uplinks (think Ghost in the Shell) for Information, ISK or even "loot"? That would open up a whole new level of gameplay... risk/reward level = unfathomable!

Sure, the clones capsuleers use would have to get a whole lot more sophisticated to make all that gameplay possible... weapons, gear, (non ship related) implants, physical stats and even skills would have to be implemented and balanced. Good thing that many of them could be taken from DUST... still, it would be a lot of work.

...alas, there you have it: Avatar centered gameplay with real meaning.

EDIT: All that is only for what I think possible in stations... I didn't even start speculating about boarding battles and exploration of abandoned ships/stations...

i want to suicide gank emoters in hisec everyday.

Errr... the work of who?

Here is the initial, detailed proposal of clone drones (which was conveniently blasted and opposed by, guess who?)

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1327713#post1327713

My inspiration were Syndicate & Deus Ex.

My God, syndicate was such a bad ass game. I used to love that game so much. The Persuadatron was OP.

:projecters:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=psychological%20projection

Wow, those dudes still post?


btw the term for their condition is Pediophobia, or fear of dolls(barbie).

I direct your attention to the first post in this lovely thread which outlines a very unsafe idea for how the WiS/Ambulation system could be used.

I don't think there's any requirement that says stations need to be physically unsafe, though I could certainly see something like a non-lethal brawl being permitted in some seedy low-sec Angel Cartel dive as opposed to, say, in the middle of Jita 4-4. The problem with making low-sec stations dangerous is that takes a feature set that should be focused on player interaction and makes that interaction less likely to happen. It essentially pushes people back into their captains quarters. No, on the other hand, if you made something like a Derelict Station where you can dock and go exploring ala Deadspace, that could be pretty damn awesome.

You can't tell me you wouldn't enjoy docking a squad of Rifters, going into a wreck to hunt some poor bugger down while he's exploring for loot, and then coming away with a "kill mail" that says you shot this guy and stole his Battleship?