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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1601 - 2013-09-15 11:10:31 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
So, basically, what WiS would be: One "promenade" like corridor with numerous, interchangeable storefronts on one side, and an open view, either into the interior of the station or out into space, one the other. and that for every type of station. We would start of with a hand full of pre-generated decks, where the basic station services are located. They would be accessible from the get go, via elevator from the CQ. If somebody now rents an office or buys property, there would be added new decks as needed... sounds solid to me.


Would it be meaningful? Not much more than ship spinning. But I would like to see one of such promenades at Jita. Or maybe...

...maybe shop owners would get a broker fee for every transaction made from their store? There would be a hard-coded minimum as currently, and then they would set it freely above that minimum. Owners with high reputation/high volume would be given NPC subsidies to every buy order they placed at the hub (so seller got the same money but it costed less to trader). A trader powerful enough could even "drag" a specialyzed hub behind him -forget Jita, the place to buy/sell armor modules is Shalua Rui's!

No, it would not be meaningful, in no way. Couldn't work at all... Blink

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#1602 - 2013-09-15 11:13:02 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Rhes wrote:

That's part of the problem considering most of the ideas are horrible. Roleplayers are just awful people and once they get entrenched in a game it's very difficult to get them out and while they are there they just ruin the community.


ask to quit like your corpmates and go play with them http://beta.euw.leagueoflegends.com/ there's no roleplayers there.
Liam Todd Bloodstar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1603 - 2013-09-15 11:27:40 UTC
Who necro'ed this garbage?

Does anyone remember this?

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/10/05/ccp-games-ceo-issues-letter-of-apology-to-eve-online-players/


CCP, stick to fixing the stuff you have in game or do this all over again.... Learn from your mistakes.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#1604 - 2013-09-15 11:33:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
raven666wings wrote:
http://beta.euw.leagueoflegends.com/ ask to quit like your corpmates and go play with them. There's no roleplayers there.

I knew why I have Rhes' ramblings (possible trademark? you're welcome!) hidden... Blink

It would provide relevant gameplay, very relevant... somebody remember STG und UO? People made furtunes running businesses and establishments in this games. Sure, first and foremost EVE is a spaceship game, but capsuleers are beings capable of many, many things, and not all of them have to be centered around spaceships.

@ Liam: That was 2 years ago, and the time to "...push EVE to her true potential" is almost there. Nowhere in that article (or any other, on that matter) anyone ever said that WiS was a mistake, it just wasn't handled right or at the right time.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Flamespar
WarRavens
#1605 - 2013-09-15 11:42:35 UTC
Liam Todd Bloodstar wrote:
Who necro'ed this garbage?

Does anyone remember this?

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/10/05/ccp-games-ceo-issues-letter-of-apology-to-eve-online-players/


CCP, stick to fixing the stuff you have in game or do this all over again.... Learn from your mistakes.


Because you obviously didn't read it

Quote:
For the same reasons, Incarna—the real one with actual meaningful gameplay in it— will be a big step towards the future.

For an experience that relies so much on emergence and human interaction, it’s remarkable that it’s taken us this long to actually put a face on it. Once Incarna hits its stride, EVE will be more personal, and thus more accessible to general audiences.

Visual self-expression in a virtual setting is a core psychological component of gaming; most people need to see their avatars, or something vaguely humanoid, or else they don’t connect with the game. We were behind the curve and it needs to be addressed for the sake of EVE’s longevity.

We have the technology. Now we need time to add the content that will bring more meaning to the gameplay—again, without disrupting the space combat simulator that many of you are, or at least were, very much in love with—and without delaying crucial improvements that this core experience desperately needs.


Meaningful avatar game play is coming. When resources permit and the game play promises to add to EVE it will arrive.

EVE has spent the last year and a bit getting itself into order, it's time to start expanding again. In all directions. Outwards into space, and inwards to it's interiors.
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#1606 - 2013-09-15 11:51:00 UTC
Liam Todd Bloodstar wrote:
Who necro'ed this garbage?

Does anyone remember this?

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/10/05/ccp-games-ceo-issues-letter-of-apology-to-eve-online-players/


CCP, stick to fixing the stuff you have in game or do this all over again.... Learn from your mistakes.


Yes we remeber that, so does Hillmar and the new EA VP and EP. We all have a copy of it in the bathroom for 2 reasons: entertainment reading and emergency utility.
Cade Windstalker
#1607 - 2013-09-15 11:56:21 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
Liam Todd Bloodstar wrote:
Who necro'ed this garbage?

Does anyone remember this?

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/10/05/ccp-games-ceo-issues-letter-of-apology-to-eve-online-players/


CCP, stick to fixing the stuff you have in game or do this all over again.... Learn from your mistakes.


Yes we remeber that, so does Hillmar and the new EA VP and EP. We all have a copy of it in the bathroom for 2 reasons: entertainment reading and emergency utility.


Now we know what the Damage Control 2 runs on Lol

Seriously though, no one "Necro'd" this thread, it's been going more or less steadily since it started.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1608 - 2013-09-15 12:15:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Cade Windstalker wrote:
raven666wings wrote:
Liam Todd Bloodstar wrote:
Who necro'ed this garbage?

Does anyone remember this?

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/10/05/ccp-games-ceo-issues-letter-of-apology-to-eve-online-players/


CCP, stick to fixing the stuff you have in game or do this all over again.... Learn from your mistakes.


Yes we remeber that, so does Hillmar and the new EA VP and EP. We all have a copy of it in the bathroom for 2 reasons: entertainment reading and emergency utility.


Now we know what the Damage Control 2 runs on Lol

Seriously though, no one "Necro'd" this thread, it's been going more or less steadily since it started.


It never has fall back lower than page 3, which barely can be considered "necroing". The thread exists. The contributors exist. Trolls exist.

WiS is a featureless feature in need of CCP love. And we just keep bringing ideas, talking about our hopes (or lack of them) so WiS is beaten down but not forgotten. Bear

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1609 - 2013-09-15 14:58:14 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:
raven666wings wrote:
Liam Todd Bloodstar wrote:
Who necro'ed this garbage?

Does anyone remember this?

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/10/05/ccp-games-ceo-issues-letter-of-apology-to-eve-online-players/


CCP, stick to fixing the stuff you have in game or do this all over again.... Learn from your mistakes.


Yes we remeber that, so does Hillmar and the new EA VP and EP. We all have a copy of it in the bathroom for 2 reasons: entertainment reading and emergency utility.


Now we know what the Damage Control 2 runs on Lol

Seriously though, no one "Necro'd" this thread, it's been going more or less steadily since it started.


It never has fall back lower than page 3, which barely can be considered "necroing". The thread exists. The contributors exist. Trolls exist.

WiS is a featureless feature in need of CCP love. And we just keep bringing ideas, talking about our hopes (or lack of them) so WiS is beaten down but not forgotten. Bear



CCP wants to forget i am afraid

R.S.I2014
handbanana
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1610 - 2013-09-15 15:30:39 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
So, basically, what WiS would be: One "promenade" like corridor with numerous, interchangeable storefronts on one side, and an open view, either into the interior of the station or out into space, one the other. and that for every type of station. We would start of with a hand full of pre-generated decks, where the basic station services are located. They would be accessible from the get go, via elevator from the CQ. If somebody now rents an office or buys property, there would be added new decks as needed... sounds solid to me.

So, nothing cold or harsh. Just a place you can walk around, RP and be seen. Maybe buy some stuff, but we can already do that now, and a lot more efficiently now.

If you start putting stuff out there that is more like Mos Eisley and less like Second Life you'll get more bites. But, I forget myself, a lot of you are expecting and advocating WIS to be a safe theme park as evidenced by the quote below.

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
I enjoy seeing stuff, but not enough as to risk wasting my time and assets outside of hisec. At Sisi, I've been to Old Man Star, the EVE gate and a few other interesting places, which in TQ would had cost me countless lives, ships and time... in case I din't grew sick of just trying to get there.

I've got news for you, if you un-dock in this game you can be killed. if you want to explore you assume and prepare for that risk. EVE is not for the risk averse. I would expect the same risks to be ever present in WIS should you leave your CQ. Anyone arguing otherwise is advocating for theme-park play, and that is not EVE.

Do any of you honestly believe a large enough percentage of existing subscribers are going to welcome the diversion of CCPs resources again to develop WIS as a theme park? If so, what data from CCP can you provide to back that up? Look at the recent threadnaught re: the recent TOS change if you need an example to the contrary.


“It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.”    -Jack Handy
Davon Mandra'thin
Das Collective
#1611 - 2013-09-15 15:37:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Davon Mandra'thin
handbanana wrote:
I forget myself, a lot of you are expecting and advocating WIS to be a safe theme park as evidenced by the quote below.


No, definitely not most. I would say that the people who want it to be safe are a vocal minority (or possibly just one or two people). I want Eve in Stations to be cold harsh, and as dangerous as space or worse. As for the people who do want it to be safe, well they want WiS anyway and would rather have a cold harsh one than none at all. Besides, CCP have already said that any Avatar game play will have to be in the true spirit of Eve. Even though the spirit of Eve is changing, I feel pretty safe in the knowledge that CCP will at least make sure that we can scam and kill each other or some such.

Well, not so sure now that Soundwave is gone, but never mind.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1612 - 2013-09-15 15:55:51 UTC
handbanana wrote:
(...)

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
I enjoy seeing stuff, but not enough as to risk wasting my time and assets outside of hisec. At Sisi, I've been to Old Man Star, the EVE gate and a few other interesting places, which in TQ would had cost me countless lives, ships and time... in case I din't grew sick of just trying to get there.

I've got news for you, if you un-dock in this game you can be killed. if you want to explore you assume and prepare for that risk. EVE is not for the risk averse. I would expect the same risks to be ever present in WIS should you leave your CQ. Anyone arguing otherwise is advocating for theme-park play, and that is not EVE.

Do any of you honestly believe a large enough percentage of existing subscribers are going to welcome the diversion of CCPs resources again to develop WIS as a theme park? If so, what data from CCP can you provide to back that up? Look at the recent threadnaught re: the recent TOS change if you need an example to the contrary.




So according to you, if ships don't asplode, it's not PvP? Market trading is not PvP? Industry is not PvP? Planetary interaction is not PvP? Mining is not PvP? Exploration is not PvP? Scamming is not PvP? Corporation theft is not PvP?

What game have you been playing, banana boy? League of Legends? Roll

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
handbanana
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1613 - 2013-09-15 16:01:48 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
handbanana wrote:
(...)

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
I enjoy seeing stuff, but not enough as to risk wasting my time and assets outside of hisec. At Sisi, I've been to Old Man Star, the EVE gate and a few other interesting places, which in TQ would had cost me countless lives, ships and time... in case I din't grew sick of just trying to get there.

I've got news for you, if you un-dock in this game you can be killed. if you want to explore you assume and prepare for that risk. EVE is not for the risk averse. I would expect the same risks to be ever present in WIS should you leave your CQ. Anyone arguing otherwise is advocating for theme-park play, and that is not EVE.

Do any of you honestly believe a large enough percentage of existing subscribers are going to welcome the diversion of CCPs resources again to develop WIS as a theme park? If so, what data from CCP can you provide to back that up? Look at the recent threadnaught re: the recent TOS change if you need an example to the contrary.




So according to you, if ships don't asplode, it's not PvP? Market trading is not PvP? Industry is not PvP? Planetary interaction is not PvP? Mining is not PvP? Exploration is not PvP? Scamming is not PvP? Corporation theft is not PvP?


Where exactly did I say that?

Hint: I didn't.

“It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.”    -Jack Handy
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1614 - 2013-09-15 16:04:07 UTC
Davon Mandra'thin wrote:
handbanana wrote:
I forget myself, a lot of you are expecting and advocating WIS to be a safe theme park as evidenced by the quote below.


No, definitely not most. I would say that the people who want it to be safe are a vocal minority (or possibly just one or two people). I want Eve in Stations to be cold harsh, and as dangerous as space or worse. As for the people who do want it to be safe, well they want WiS anyway and would rather have a cold harsh one than none at all. Besides, CCP have already said that any Avatar game play will have to be in the true spirit of Eve. Even though the spirit of Eve is changing, I feel pretty safe in the knowledge that CCP will at least make sure that we can scam and kill each other or some such.

Well, not so sure now that Soundwave is gone, but never mind.


My definition of "cold, harsh" doesn't includes "I shot your face, then again, then again, then again, then again, and then again". EVE is full of wimps who rejoice in the abbiltiy to die endless times without consequence. Blink

Frankly, provided that lore is very specific on capsuleers being permadead if they die outside of their pod, I would rather figure other ways to be "cold harsh" that didn't included death of you character and 1,000s of "miraculous" resurrections.

PvP is much more than "I shot your face". Roll

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1615 - 2013-09-15 16:04:55 UTC
handbanana wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
handbanana wrote:
(...)

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
I enjoy seeing stuff, but not enough as to risk wasting my time and assets outside of hisec. At Sisi, I've been to Old Man Star, the EVE gate and a few other interesting places, which in TQ would had cost me countless lives, ships and time... in case I din't grew sick of just trying to get there.

I've got news for you, if you un-dock in this game you can be killed. if you want to explore you assume and prepare for that risk. EVE is not for the risk averse. I would expect the same risks to be ever present in WIS should you leave your CQ. Anyone arguing otherwise is advocating for theme-park play, and that is not EVE.

Do any of you honestly believe a large enough percentage of existing subscribers are going to welcome the diversion of CCPs resources again to develop WIS as a theme park? If so, what data from CCP can you provide to back that up? Look at the recent threadnaught re: the recent TOS change if you need an example to the contrary.




So according to you, if ships don't asplode, it's not PvP? Market trading is not PvP? Industry is not PvP? Planetary interaction is not PvP? Mining is not PvP? Exploration is not PvP? Scamming is not PvP? Corporation theft is not PvP?


Where exactly did I say that?

Hint: I didn't.


And I requested a theme park where, banana boy? Question

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Davon Mandra'thin
Das Collective
#1616 - 2013-09-15 16:07:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Davon Mandra'thin
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

PvP is much more than "I shot your face". Roll


That's actually a pretty good point. Best PvP I ever did was had an alt invade a corp and start the fail cascade. There was a war involved at the time, but that was besides the point. It was the spy alt that killed the corp with a few discouraging words, rather than any ship or clone losses.

That said, if we get to walk in stations, I would like to shoot people in the face from time to time.
handbanana
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1617 - 2013-09-15 16:07:25 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
handbanana wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
handbanana wrote:
(...)

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
I enjoy seeing stuff, but not enough as to risk wasting my time and assets outside of hisec. At Sisi, I've been to Old Man Star, the EVE gate and a few other interesting places, which in TQ would had cost me countless lives, ships and time... in case I din't grew sick of just trying to get there.

I've got news for you, if you un-dock in this game you can be killed. if you want to explore you assume and prepare for that risk. EVE is not for the risk averse. I would expect the same risks to be ever present in WIS should you leave your CQ. Anyone arguing otherwise is advocating for theme-park play, and that is not EVE.

Do any of you honestly believe a large enough percentage of existing subscribers are going to welcome the diversion of CCPs resources again to develop WIS as a theme park? If so, what data from CCP can you provide to back that up? Look at the recent threadnaught re: the recent TOS change if you need an example to the contrary.




So according to you, if ships don't asplode, it's not PvP? Market trading is not PvP? Industry is not PvP? Planetary interaction is not PvP? Mining is not PvP? Exploration is not PvP? Scamming is not PvP? Corporation theft is not PvP?


Where exactly did I say that?

Hint: I didn't.


And I requested a theme park where, banana boy? Question


Answer the question and then I'll answer yours.






“It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.”    -Jack Handy
Davon Mandra'thin
Das Collective
#1618 - 2013-09-15 16:10:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Davon Mandra'thin
handbanana wrote:

Answer the question and then I'll answer yours.


Pointless argument. Ish clearly doesn't want risk free environments, just the same as you don't. You can both stop now, or you can argue semantics until your both dead and it wont make any difference. No one wants risk averse game play, point taken. Move on.

Arguing about what we want doesn't help anyway. We clearly want Eve in Stations, even if CCP are too incompetent to give it to us. Those of us who want it need to show a united front rather than bickering with each other. Not that I am convinced CCP care what we want.
handbanana
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1619 - 2013-09-15 16:12:33 UTC  |  Edited by: handbanana
Davon Mandra'thin wrote:
handbanana wrote:

Answer the question and then I'll answer yours.


Pointless argument. Ish clearly doesn't want risk free environments, just the same as you don't. You can both stop now, or you can argue semantics until your both dead and it wont make any difference. No one wants risk averse game play, point taken. Move on.


I'd rather she answered the question thanks.

No need to white knight here.

“It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.”    -Jack Handy
Davon Mandra'thin
Das Collective
#1620 - 2013-09-15 16:16:23 UTC
handbanana wrote:

I'd rather she answered the question thanks.

No need to white night here.


Okay, well... if you want to be petty then fine.

By the way, it's "white knight". (See what I did there?)