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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#1561 - 2013-09-14 07:07:13 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
Shalua, you are no longer my friend.


Aw... Sad

Read my last paragraph... Blink I agree, EVE is different, and it shouldn't go entirely f2p, but there should be a change in business model... it would benefit the game, and in the long run, the players too. Being the most expensive MMO out there AND having one of the most expensive mta-store is unwise.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#1562 - 2013-09-14 08:03:35 UTC
For now 10 years EVE with p2p model with this playerbase is doing ok. I don't see f2p model forced down on us in near future.

And somehow i am not afraid about the future of eve, will it be f2p or p2p. P

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#1563 - 2013-09-14 08:07:39 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
And somehow i am not afraid about the future of eve, will it be f2p or p2p. P

I'm not either... yet... but still: Why not think about it?

...still, that's not really the subject here, sorry. Blink

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1564 - 2013-09-14 08:51:33 UTC
I don't think that EVE should go F2P (in a game here multiboxing is becoming standard, go figure what could be done if accounts were factually free...).

Yet, MT are revenue boosters of the first degree -if implemented properly.

CPP did wrong everyhting that could be done wrong and managed to, in their own words, "shoot their own foot and their ass with one shot". They should leanr formt hat elsosn, elarn form idnsutry (what do consumers hate? EA's MT schemes, FAI? Then DON'T do that!)

Ego is a magnificent selling tool. Vanity tiems are in high demand everywhere in the industry, and they do well if correctly implemented. And if CCP is to keep developing magnificent failures like DUST, wild shots like Valkyrie and this little piece of old rehetaed porridge we happen to be hooked to, aka EVE, they better get more monies.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Cade Windstalker
#1565 - 2013-09-14 10:46:18 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
I'm not saying EVE should go entirely f2p, though... there are many other options: Reduced subscription fees for multi account users, reduced costs for people that only keep their accounts to skill, but hardly ever play, etc. A flexible p2p model, backed up by an expanded NeX store... that would be a good concept.


You mean like a system that allows you to buy subscription time from other players for in-game currency? Blink
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#1566 - 2013-09-14 10:59:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Cade Windstalker wrote:
You mean like a system that allows you to buy subscription time from other players for in-game currency? Blink

Smarta**. Blink

No I meant reducing costs for multpile account users, or players that don't actually play, just skill, of which there are many...

Think about it... right now, many people who only have one account don't take a second one because it just isn't worth it to them. Now, if your primary and secondary account would only cost 9,99, and not 14.99, what do you think how many of those "single account players" would consider picking up a second account? i know I would...

Or, how about: You could put one of your accounts to "rest" for a month, reducing costs by 50%, but still allowing you to queue and change skills? Nothing more, only that...

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Cade Windstalker
#1567 - 2013-09-14 11:25:42 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:
You mean like a system that allows you to buy subscription time from other players for in-game currency? Blink

Smarta**. Blink

No I meant reducing costs for multpile account users, or players that don't actually play, just skill, of which there are many...

Think about it... right now, many people who only have one account don't take a second one because it just isn't worth it to them. Now, if your primary and secondary account would only cost 9,99, and not 14.99, what do you think how many of those "single account players" would consider picking up a second account? i know I would...

Or, how about: You could put one of your accounts to "rest" for a month, reducing costs by 50%, but still allowing you to queue and change skills? Nothing more, only that...


Yup P

And I think that would be a rather large boost to the character marketplace and I'm not sure how I feel about that Ugh

Probably trending toward a negative though. Stuff like PLEX for a training slot is on the right track though, it just needs some convenience overhauls like being able to dump multiple PLEX into it at once and a few other things.

Overall though Eve isn't in a position where it needs to be seriously looking at a free to play model. Its subscriptions are growing and opening the doors to free to play would cause all sorts of havoc with free alt accounts, as several people have pointed out.

Generally Free 2 Play is something you do so your paying customers have more people to play with and so you can build a healthy base of people and then pry open their wallets a little. So far CCP doesn't have this problem. Eve is a well established game with a healthy player-base that hasn't shrunk significantly since the game launched and its not under serious crowding pressure from similar games. So far every other Sci-Fi space MMO that's gone for a broader appeal or a F2P business model has kind of crashed and burned.

That said it'll be interesting to see what happens with things like Star Citizen, not really expecting it to kill Eve though.
Gaellia Bonaventure
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1568 - 2013-09-14 14:23:08 UTC
CCP Unifex wrote:

So, all that being said, we have a great concept to expand the EVE Universe but now is not the right time for us to take that step. .



LOL, oh, my sides. Typical CCP. Lol

Bring your possibles.
Tanthalassa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1569 - 2013-09-14 14:23:11 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
For now 10 years EVE with p2p model with this playerbase is doing ok. I don't see f2p model forced down on us in near future.

And somehow i am not afraid about the future of eve, will it be f2p or p2p. P
I don't think Eve needs to have its model changed to f2p. I rather think it has to stay p2p. Eve has been p2p for too long to switch now.

I think main concern about switching to f2p is that no matter what - some nex items will end up being pay2win.
There are some f2p games that are less pay2win so to speak, but in the end it's "pay2win" anyway.

What Eve really needs is some microtransaction boost for its further development. People who keep screaming WiS as concept should die are practically demanding that CCP scrap all the work done in those "2 years that they ignored real Eve." I think this player base could be more supportive.
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#1570 - 2013-09-14 15:52:22 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Rhes wrote:

After what happened when Incarna was released if there are people at CCP who think EvE should be about anything other than spaceships and the industry that supports them those people should be fired.


Your impaired speech seems to have improved in the last couple of weeks, you seem to be finally and slowly starting to acknowledge that balances and reworking of old mechanics are needed

Rhes wrote:

The short version is that CCP ignored Eve for two years to work on WiS. When it launched it was a massive failure and the playerbase rioted and the game lost more subs than at any other time in its history. CCP apologized for the wasted development time and promised to refocus on real Eve gameplay: spaceships and the industry that supports them. Ever since that time the game has grown steadily every quarter.


but so are "expansions" with graphic improvements, content and gameplay features. The word "furries" also seems to not be present in your lines so often.

I think the medication I prescribed you is finally kicking in and showing some good results.
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1571 - 2013-09-14 17:11:10 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
Rhes wrote:

After what happened when Incarna was released if there are people at CCP who think EvE should be about anything other than spaceships and the industry that supports them those people should be fired.


Your impaired speech seems to have improved in the last couple of weeks, you seem to be finally and slowly starting to acknowledge that balances and reworking of old mechanics are needed

Rhes wrote:

The short version is that CCP ignored Eve for two years to work on WiS. When it launched it was a massive failure and the playerbase rioted and the game lost more subs than at any other time in its history. CCP apologized for the wasted development time and promised to refocus on real Eve gameplay: spaceships and the industry that supports them. Ever since that time the game has grown steadily every quarter.


but so are "expansions" with graphic improvements, content and gameplay features. The word "furries" also seems to not be present in your lines so often.

I think the medication I prescribed you is finally kicking in and showing some good results.


It's amazing how you WiS "enthusiasts" are unable to make your points without baseless personal attacks. It's almost like you think the ToS doesn't apply to you.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1572 - 2013-09-14 17:12:27 UTC
Tanthalassa wrote:
People who keep screaming WiS as concept should die are practically demanding that CCP scrap all the work done in those "2 years that they ignored real Eve." I think this player base could be more supportive.


They have already scrapped it and the game is healthier for it.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1573 - 2013-09-14 18:45:22 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Tanthalassa wrote:
People who keep screaming WiS as concept should die are practically demanding that CCP scrap all the work done in those "2 years that they ignored real Eve." I think this player base could be more supportive.


They have already scrapped it and the game is healthier for it.


Like i say before i will see you on the press event 2014 o wait you don't go you have no f*cking clue what is happening you are just a hate dude. That want to get your will of proof. Its like believing,, you believe your own sh*t if you continue like this.

Some people are just haters afraid of change. God I want to see your face when to open that door in 2014. Just please make a youtube with hate and then the open the doors. Jesus I know you will get millions of views just to see your reaction in 2014.

next time waffle go to some press release next time to see what I mean. Yes I was there and yes I talk and yes the showed some off screen stuff. That's not find able on youtube. If I have proof no. Do I speak 100% true? that will be found out in 2014 do we!

And about the release of incarnia yes I was there the fact the where angry about is the had it coming not about the WiS project but about the fact the take age to do something and broke allot of promises do you even know what promises no you don't because you have no f*cking clue what I`m talking about. And the have mixs the sh*t up. So I proof again you`re wrong. Stop hating dude it will not help the fact is you want answers go talk not hating this will not get you any answers.

Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#1574 - 2013-09-14 19:15:01 UTC
This is now officially the most viewed non-stickied thread on the Eve forums.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1575 - 2013-09-14 19:20:26 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
This is now officially the most viewed non-stickied thread on the Eve forums.


The old WiS thread was the largest threadnaught at GD in its time, barring Mittens mishap's threadnaught.

Even the pesimistic ones like me, still keep our interest. I would so much love to be wrong about so many things concerning EVE... my nickname of "Hallellujah plan" for CCP Seagull's 3 year plan is not just sarcastic. Blink

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#1576 - 2013-09-14 19:25:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Varius Xeral
I read it to laugh at all the terrible reasoning and circlejerking, for example the belief that threadviews somehow indicate support for some amorphous and unidentifiable illusory common desire that the thread in question is purported to expound.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#1577 - 2013-09-14 19:31:35 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
the belief that threadviews somehow indicate support


Hey, you said it, not me.

Sure, it doesn't. It does indicate that more people want to read the thread more often than the others though. Make of that what you will. I've given up arguing with the likes of you. I just made a java program to systematically check the highest views on the forum for non-stickied threads and wanted to share the results.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#1578 - 2013-09-14 19:33:05 UTC
mmmhmmmmm

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#1579 - 2013-09-14 20:42:24 UTC
Rhes wrote:

It's amazing how you WiS "enthusiasts" are unable to make your points without baseless personal attacks. It's almost like you think the ToS doesn't apply to you.


Rhes wrote:

They have already scrapped it and the game is healthier for it.


Relapsing... I might have to increase the dosage. Dont fight back, i'm here to help you.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1580 - 2013-09-14 20:42:54 UTC
Johan Civire wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Tanthalassa wrote:
People who keep screaming WiS as concept should die are practically demanding that CCP scrap all the work done in those "2 years that they ignored real Eve." I think this player base could be more supportive.


They have already scrapped it and the game is healthier for it.


Like i say before i will see you on the press event 2014 o wait you don't go you have no f*cking clue what is happening you are just a hate dude. That want to get your will of proof. Its like believing,, you believe your own sh*t if you continue like this.

Some people are just haters afraid of change. God I want to see your face when to open that door in 2014. Just please make a youtube with hate and then the open the doors. Jesus I know you will get millions of views just to see your reaction in 2014.

next time waffle go to some press release next time to see what I mean. Yes I was there and yes I talk and yes the showed some off screen stuff. That's not find able on youtube. If I have proof no. Do I speak 100% true? that will be found out in 2014 do we!

And about the release of incarnia yes I was there the fact the where angry about is the had it coming not about the WiS project but about the fact the take age to do something and broke allot of promises do you even know what promises no you don't because you have no f*cking clue what I`m talking about. And the have mixs the sh*t up. So I proof again you`re wrong. Stop hating dude it will not help the fact is you want answers go talk not hating this will not get you any answers.


Don,t get me wrong ,i am one of those WIS lovers ,but 2014 ?

R.S.I2014