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Team Avatar and the future of our prototype

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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#1541 - 2013-09-13 17:00:11 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Lors Dornick wrote:

The demo that Team Avatar created was a mock-up (in Unity I think) and it was just a proof of concept of something that could become an addition to Eve when the support for avatar based game play is provided.

Putting a small team of devs on upgrading the current avatar engine in Eve would both be futile and totally stupid since it would duplicate the work that their colleges in Georgia are already doing.


Personally I prefer to stick to real information provided by CCP staff than to some half baked notions and speculation of what their work is/was/should be

CCP Bayesian wrote:

The prototype itself has been finished and has been presented internally to the company stakeholders, the CSM and finally to the company as a whole. The feedback from that was overwhelmingly positive. So on to the information!


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=161511
Phaade
LowKey Ops
Shadow Cartel
#1542 - 2013-09-13 17:44:21 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
raven666wings wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Shalua Rui wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
You will excuse me if I don't hold my breath, I'm already playing the best game out there today.

Them I'm certain you will excuse us, if we think CCP could still aim higher, no? Blink


Sure, but you are aiming at the wrong stuff. CCP isn't working on WIS, they shelved it and dissolved Team Avatar to focus on the things that make CCP money today. Nothing realistic you guys are putting forth will bring in new subscriptions or retain existing ones. CCP is not going to spend a dime developing a release that contains just a single room so a scant few players can meet there and be seen posing for each other. It matters not how much money you claim to throw at SC or any other game, this is unlikely to change for a long time.

Denial is not a river in Africa.


Right, denial is what you're doing with your posts here. You're obviously very confused about what Team Avatar has worked on before disbanding and what will be done with the exploration prototype in EVE. I suggest you read the original posts made by them again on the first pages of this thread.


Yeah, I'm the one here clamoring for iteration on a feature that has been shelved. Roll

Surely you can do better than "no, you!" Maybe you can tell us how much $$ you have thrown at SC?

I'll be glad when more of you move on to the acceptance stage.



Lol, what the **** is this guy talking about?

Doc, you're off your rocker man.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#1543 - 2013-09-13 17:53:10 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
Lors Dornick wrote:

The demo that Team Avatar created was a mock-up (in Unity I think) and it was just a proof of concept of something that could become an addition to Eve when the support for avatar based game play is provided.

Putting a small team of devs on upgrading the current avatar engine in Eve would both be futile and totally stupid since it would duplicate the work that their colleges in Georgia are already doing.


Personally I prefer to stick to real information provided by CCP staff than to some half baked notions and speculation of what their work is/was/should be

CCP Bayesian wrote:

The prototype itself has been finished and has been presented internally to the company stakeholders, the CSM and finally to the company as a whole. The feedback from that was overwhelmingly positive. So on to the information!


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=161511


So, where's the demo video we can see, and where is the commitment from CCP that this feature/game play will in fact be developed and implemented? That second part is very important.

Personally I prefer to stick with things I can see with my eyes, than to defer to your emotional enthusiasm to read-in that because CCP has successfully produced a simple proof of concept, it somehow means we are going to get anything like that, or at all.

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Cade Windstalker
#1544 - 2013-09-13 20:01:53 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Here: http://www.wodnews.net/Home/tabid/41/Article/750/Exclusive-IncarnaCarbon-Forked-Between-EVE-and-WoD-MMO.aspx

With macro development detached since roughly november 2011, essentially whatever goes on in WoD will stay in WoD and anything made at EVE (i.e. zero, nothing, nada) would be EVE only.


Color me more than a little skeptical. The article is tiny, doesn't provide any sort of source and just states "we have learned" not "we have learned from CCP" or any other sort of attribution. It makes it sound like a printed finale to a game of "he said that she said" from someone who knows very little about game development.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1545 - 2013-09-13 20:02:07 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
I'll be glad when more of you move on to the acceptance stage.

Great way to behave in a discussion... swinging between dismissive and condescending... really classy. Blink


We blocked troll #1, here comes troll #2.

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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#1546 - 2013-09-13 20:08:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
We blocked troll #1, here comes troll #2.

Seams like it... as much as I hate it... but if all we get as a counter argument is: You are in denial...

...especially if you consider that this thread wasn't a discussion in the first place. Blink

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Maximus Andendare
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#1547 - 2013-09-13 20:10:58 UTC
Ok, so spare me the 78 pages of reading: where is Eve at with more ambulation/WiS? I don't think many players would object to more WiS environments and feature iteration, as long as they weren't forced into it like the original CQ disaster. Think of it more like Eve's Industry or Exploration careers. Not required, but certainly something alive, well and iterated upon.

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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#1548 - 2013-09-13 20:12:08 UTC
Maximus Andendare wrote:
Think of it more like Eve's Industry or Exploration careers. Not required, but certainly something alive, well and iterated upon.

Absolutely... it's all about choice... never would object to that.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#1549 - 2013-09-13 20:18:43 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
We blocked troll #1, here comes troll #2.

Seams like it... as much as I hate it... but if all we get as a counter argument is: You are in denial...

...especially if you consider that this thread wasn't a discussion in the first place. Blink


It wasn't a counter argument, it was an accurate observation of the behavior of many players in this thread.

The "argument" was removed when I was selectively quoted out of context.

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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#1550 - 2013-09-13 20:23:13 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:

So, where's the demo video we can see, and where is the commitment from CCP that this feature/game play will in fact be developed and implemented? That second part is very important.

Personally I prefer to stick with things I can see with my eyes, than to defer to your emotional enthusiasm to read-in that because CCP has successfully produced a simple proof of concept, it somehow means we are going to get anything like that, or at all.



It doesn't mean you will get it for certain... they could just trash it (and they probably would if guys like you were in charge or had a vote in the matter). What it means is that there is a strong possibility you will get it, regardless of how much you whiners keep nay saying in this thread.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#1551 - 2013-09-13 20:28:28 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
It doesn't mean you will get it for certain... they could just trash it (and they probably would if guys like you were in charge or had a vote in the matter). What it means is that there is a strong possibility you will get it, regardless of how much you whiners keep nay saying in this thread.


Exactly, but what I DON'T think is, that CCP will throw it out there before the core game isn't balanced to their liking (plans)... they made that mistake once, they will not make it again... I hope. Agh... we gotta wait for next Fanfest to really have the chance to know more...

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#1552 - 2013-09-13 20:40:57 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
Lors Dornick wrote:

The demo that Team Avatar created was a mock-up (in Unity I think) and it was just a proof of concept of something that could become an addition to Eve when the support for avatar based game play is provided.

Putting a small team of devs on upgrading the current avatar engine in Eve would both be futile and totally stupid since it would duplicate the work that their colleges in Georgia are already doing.


Personally I prefer to stick to real information provided by CCP staff than to some half baked notions and speculation of what their work is/was/should be

Your choice.

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1553 - 2013-09-13 22:25:16 UTC
Meanwhile, in Mittani land...

http://themittani.com/features/dancing-third-rail-eve-microtransactions

A must-read article by Alizabeth, presenting the case for microtransactions in general and vanity items specifically, including avatar-related ones.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#1554 - 2013-09-13 22:38:05 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
A must-read article by Alizabeth, presenting the case for microtransactions in general and vanity items specifically, including avatar-related ones.


"must-read" indeed, thanks Ish... summarizes very good all the arguments we brought up here. Smile

"The future is coming and CCP needs to adapt to the changing business model." ...times have changed a lot since 2011 and they should adapt.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1555 - 2013-09-14 04:57:27 UTC
Maximus Andendare wrote:
Ok, so spare me the 78 pages of reading: where is Eve at with more ambulation/WiS? I don't think many players would object to more WiS environments and feature iteration, as long as they weren't forced into it like the original CQ disaster. Think of it more like Eve's Industry or Exploration careers. Not required, but certainly something alive, well and iterated upon.


The short version is that CCP ignored Eve for two years to work on WiS. When it launched it was a massive failure and the playerbase rioted and the game lost more subs than at any other time in its history. CCP apologized for the wasted development time and promised to refocus on real Eve gameplay: spaceships and the industry that supports them. Ever since that time the game has grown steadily every quarter.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Cade Windstalker
#1556 - 2013-09-14 05:11:32 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
A must-read article by Alizabeth, presenting the case for microtransactions in general and vanity items specifically, including avatar-related ones.


"must-read" indeed, thanks Ish... summarizes very good all the arguments we brought up here. Smile

"The future is coming and CCP needs to adapt to the changing business model." ...times have changed a lot since 2011 and they should adapt.


And yet WoW is still subscription based, and Eve has been going along just fine on subscriptions and PLEX sales for quite some time now. Color me somewhat skeptical that we'll see Eve transition to F2P any time soon.
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1557 - 2013-09-14 05:25:39 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
A must-read article by Alizabeth, presenting the case for microtransactions in general and vanity items specifically, including avatar-related ones.


"must-read" indeed, thanks Ish... summarizes very good all the arguments we brought up here. Smile

"The future is coming and CCP needs to adapt to the changing business model." ...times have changed a lot since 2011 and they should adapt.


Not every game works under a F2P model. Eve certainly wouldn't work if people could have unlimited alts for zero cost.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1558 - 2013-09-14 06:37:10 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
raven666wings wrote:
Lors Dornick wrote:

The demo that Team Avatar created was a mock-up (in Unity I think) and it was just a proof of concept of something that could become an addition to Eve when the support for avatar based game play is provided.

Putting a small team of devs on upgrading the current avatar engine in Eve would both be futile and totally stupid since it would duplicate the work that their colleges in Georgia are already doing.


Personally I prefer to stick to real information provided by CCP staff than to some half baked notions and speculation of what their work is/was/should be

CCP Bayesian wrote:

The prototype itself has been finished and has been presented internally to the company stakeholders, the CSM and finally to the company as a whole. The feedback from that was overwhelmingly positive. So on to the information!


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=161511


So, where's the demo video we can see, and where is the commitment from CCP that this feature/game play will in fact be developed and implemented? That second part is very important.

Personally I prefer to stick with things I can see with my eyes, than to defer to your emotional enthusiasm to read-in that because CCP has successfully produced a simple proof of concept, it somehow means we are going to get anything like that, or at all.


Well ,they promised a couple of times to show us that protoype .
It was said that it was shown at Fanfest,but it was not allowed.

But if they did ,maybe this discussion would go in another direction.

But hey that is only my opinion ,i can,t speak for all of EvE

R.S.I2014
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#1559 - 2013-09-14 06:56:34 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
And yet WoW is still subscription based, and Eve has been going along just fine on subscriptions and PLEX sales for quite some time now. Color me somewhat skeptical that we'll see Eve transition to F2P any time soon.


Well, WoW will not be subscription based forever, and you already can play the base game up to lvl 20 for free, Even though many games start out with a p2p model, almost all of them changed it withing the last couple of years/one or two years after release... same will be true for ESO, the only other subscription based MMO to come out in the next years.

It has become common practice these days to start off p2p, keep it that way for the first 6 months to a year, then - when subs start to drop - transition to another payment model and have a "second coming".

I'm not saying EVE should go entirely f2p, though... there are many other options: Reduced subscription fees for multi account users, reduced costs for people that only keep their accounts to skill, but hardly ever play, etc. A flexible p2p model, backed up by an expanded NeX store... that would be a good concept.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Jim Era
#1560 - 2013-09-14 06:59:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jim Era
EVE Should stay pay to play, Free to play games is like an escort lowering to status of hooker.

EVE is much more beautiful and deserves much more than that, she calls the shots, not you.

Shalua, you are no longer my friend.

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