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Team Avatar and the future of our prototype

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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#1521 - 2013-09-13 14:20:27 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

Here: http://www.wodnews.net/Home/tabid/41/Article/750/Exclusive-IncarnaCarbon-Forked-Between-EVE-and-WoD-MMO.aspx

With macro development detached since roughly november 2011, essentially whatever goes on in WoD will stay in WoD and anything made at EVE (i.e. zero, nothing, nada) would be EVE only.

Forking the code base letting and the WoD team go ahead coding parts that are vital to the success of their product makes perfect sense.

But it does not in any way, shape or form eliminate the possibility of merging their improvements back into the EvE track once there's something good enough to be merged and a solid plan behind it's use.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#1522 - 2013-09-13 14:28:26 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
You will excuse me if I don't hold my breath, I'm already playing the best game out there today.

Them I'm certain you will excuse us, if we think CCP could still aim higher, no? Blink


Sure, but you are aiming at the wrong stuff. CCP isn't working on WIS, they shelved it and dissolved Team Avatar to focus on the things that make CCP money today. Nothing realistic you guys are putting forth will bring in new subscriptions or retain existing ones. CCP is not going to spend a dime developing a release that contains just a single room so a scant few players can meet there and be seen posing for each other. It matters not how much money you claim to throw at SC or any other game, this is unlikely to change for a long time.

Denial is not a river in Africa.

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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#1523 - 2013-09-13 14:39:07 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Denial is not a river in Africa.

Didn't hear that one in while. Blink

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#1524 - 2013-09-13 14:49:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Doc Fury wrote:
Shalua Rui wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
You will excuse me if I don't hold my breath, I'm already playing the best game out there today.

Them I'm certain you will excuse us, if we think CCP could still aim higher, no? Blink


Sure, but you are aiming at the wrong stuff. CCP isn't working on WIS, they shelved it and dissolved Team Avatar to focus on the things that make CCP money today. Nothing realistic you guys are putting forth will bring in new subscriptions or retain existing ones. CCP is not going to spend a dime developing a release that contains just a single room so a scant few players can meet there and be seen posing for each other. It matters not how much money you claim to throw at SC or any other game, this is unlikely to change for a long time.

Denial is not a river in Africa.


Yeah they will not make WIS, because they (not me) have already DUST. I mean Fighting On Planets, and we will see where else..

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#1525 - 2013-09-13 15:13:42 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Shalua Rui wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
You will excuse me if I don't hold my breath, I'm already playing the best game out there today.

Them I'm certain you will excuse us, if we think CCP could still aim higher, no? Blink


Sure, but you are aiming at the wrong stuff. CCP isn't working on WIS, they shelved it and dissolved Team Avatar to focus on the things that make CCP money today. Nothing realistic you guys are putting forth will bring in new subscriptions or retain existing ones. CCP is not going to spend a dime developing a release that contains just a single room so a scant few players can meet there and be seen posing for each other. It matters not how much money you claim to throw at SC or any other game, this is unlikely to change for a long time.

Denial is not a river in Africa.


Right, denial is what you're doing with your posts here. You're obviously very confused about what Team Avatar has worked on before disbanding and what will be done with the exploration prototype in EVE. I suggest you read the original posts made by them again on the first pages of this thread.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#1526 - 2013-09-13 15:17:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
raven666wings wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Shalua Rui wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
You will excuse me if I don't hold my breath, I'm already playing the best game out there today.

Them I'm certain you will excuse us, if we think CCP could still aim higher, no? Blink


Sure, but you are aiming at the wrong stuff. CCP isn't working on WIS, they shelved it and dissolved Team Avatar to focus on the things that make CCP money today. Nothing realistic you guys are putting forth will bring in new subscriptions or retain existing ones. CCP is not going to spend a dime developing a release that contains just a single room so a scant few players can meet there and be seen posing for each other. It matters not how much money you claim to throw at SC or any other game, this is unlikely to change for a long time.

Denial is not a river in Africa.


Right, denial is what you're doing with your posts here. You're obviously very confused about what Team Avatar has worked on before disbanding and what will be done with the exploration prototype in EVE. I suggest you read the original posts made by them again on the first pages of this thread.


Yeah, I'm the one here clamoring for iteration on a feature that has been shelved. Roll

Surely you can do better than "no, you!" Maybe you can tell us how much $$ you have thrown at SC?

I'll be glad when more of you move on to the acceptance stage.

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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#1527 - 2013-09-13 15:21:20 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Doc Fury wrote:

Yeah, I'm the one here clamoring for iteration on a feature that has been shelved. Roll

Surely you can do better than "no, you!"

I'll be glad when more of you move on to the acceptance stage.


here i'll post it for you in case ur too lazy to search it:

CCP Unifex wrote:

So, all that being said, we have a great concept to expand the EVE Universe but now is not the right time for us to take that step. It’s a step I very much want to take but I want to take it when it won’t mean removing developers and focus from flying in space. So, for the time being, watch this space with regards to exploration gameplay for EVE avatars. The Avatar team will now be turning its attention to features it can put out for EVE in our winter expansion and beyond.


(he meant last year's winter expansion, not 2013's or 2014's)
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#1528 - 2013-09-13 15:24:56 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:

Yeah, I'm the one here clamoring for iteration on a feature that has been shelved. Roll

Surely you can do better than "no, you!"

I'll be glad when more of you move on to the acceptance stage.


here i'll post it for you in case ur too lazy to search it:

CCP Unifex wrote:

So, all that being said, we have a great concept to expand the EVE Universe but now is not the right time for us to take that step. It’s a step I very much want to take but I want to take it when it won’t mean removing developers and focus from flying in space. So, for the time being, watch this space with regards to exploration gameplay for EVE avatars. The Avatar team will now be turning its attention to features it can put out for EVE in our winter expansion and beyond.



So, what's your point?

They are still not working on it.
They don't know when they will be working on it.


All you got is a "Coming Soon™" ?



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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#1529 - 2013-09-13 15:25:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Doc Fury wrote:
I'll be glad when more of you move on to the acceptance stage.

Great way to behave in a discussion... swinging between dismissive and condescending... really classy. Blink

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#1530 - 2013-09-13 15:26:44 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Doc Fury wrote:

So, what's your point?

They are still not working on it.
They don't know when they will be working on it.


All you got is a "Coming Soon™" ?


I think you also missed the part when they said "the prototype is finished and was presented to the stakeholders". Go read CCP Bayesian's post too.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#1531 - 2013-09-13 15:30:02 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:

So, what's your point?

They are still not working on it.
They don't know when they will be working on it.


All you got is a "Coming Soon™" ?


I think you also missed the part when they said "the prototype is finished and was presented to the stakeholders". Go read CCP Bayesian post too.


Yup, I missed the release date. What is it?
















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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#1532 - 2013-09-13 15:33:43 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Doc Fury wrote:

Yup, I missed the release date. What is it?


That's a question you should direct to them or the new VP or EP. CCP Unifex's post clearly hinted that they will implement it after they're done working on the FiS which will probably be 2014.
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#1533 - 2013-09-13 15:44:53 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:


Yeah they will not make WIS, because they (not me) have already DUST. I mean Fighting On Planets, and we will see where else..

The Dust client is developed using en external game engine (Unreal), so most of the client coding in Dust client is unrelated to Eve and/or WoD.

In addition to story/IP Dust shares art and part of the server integration with it's PC siblings.

And before anyone starts on that track, Valkyrie is also just sharing art, IP and possibly some server code with the rest of the family.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#1534 - 2013-09-13 15:49:36 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:

Yup, I missed the release date. What is it?


That's a question you should direct to them or the new VP or EP. CCP Unifex's post clearly hinted that they will implement it after they're done working on the FiS which will probably be 2014.


So, you have presented nothing to support your position but "hinted" and "probably".

As it stands today:

They are not working on it.

They don't know when they will be working on it (if ever). Protip: very much wanting to bring something out does not mean that something will ever be released or even further developed.

Even though CCP has stated there won't be any development in this space for a long time, people are still here clamoring they release "something" now or soon or EVE is doomed.


What else do you think I am "missing" that my own eyes are not revealing.

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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#1535 - 2013-09-13 15:54:25 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Doc Fury wrote:

So, you have presented nothing to support your position but "hinted" and "probably".

As it stands today:

They are not working on it.

They don't know when they will be working on it (if ever). Protip: very much wanting to bring something out does not mean that something will ever be released or even further developed.

Even though CCP has stated there won't be any development in this space for a long time, people are still here clamoring they release "something" now or soon or EVE is doomed.


What else do you think I am "missing" that my own eyes are not revealing.



you're missing the whole point of the exploration prototype, and the kind of content it can bring to EVE

guess we'll just have to wait to find out eh brah?
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#1536 - 2013-09-13 16:05:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
raven666wings wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:

So, you have presented nothing to support your position but "hinted" and "probably".

As it stands today:

They are not working on it.

They don't know when they will be working on it (if ever). Protip: very much wanting to bring something out does not mean that something will ever be released or even further developed.

Even though CCP has stated there won't be any development in this space for a long time, people are still here clamoring they release "something" now or soon or EVE is doomed.


What else do you think I am "missing" that my own eyes are not revealing.



you're missing the whole point of the exploration prototype, and the kind of content it can bring to EVE


So you got see and play it? How was that? Got a link to a video of that demo?

I got nothing against additional meaningful game play options. What I have a problem with is all the denial that none of this is happening soon, the tiresome insistence that CCP release "something" now, and the continued proselytizing of the demise of EVE if that does not occur on an unrealistic timetable.

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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1537 - 2013-09-13 16:27:01 UTC  |  Edited by: oldbutfeelingyoung
Doc Fury wrote:


I got nothing against additional meaningful game play options. What I have a problem with is all the denial that none of this is happening soon, the tiresome insistence that CCP release "something" now, and the continued proselytizing of the demise of EVE if that does not occur on an unrealistic timetable.



I speak for myself here ,the only thing i would want is to bring back that small team of devs called Team Avatar.
I am not demanding WIS right now .

What i want is some dev time on an EVE feature for a change ,that happens to be WIS.
Instead just another out of EvE game
And people can say Dust is another game engine and Valkerie is sharing art ,they pull way more dev time from EvE ,than that 5 men dev team called Team Avatar ever could do.


Edit : and show us this time ,what they were doing just before they were disbanded

R.S.I2014
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#1538 - 2013-09-13 16:39:52 UTC
CCP Bayesian wrote:

The prototype itself has been finished and has been presented internally to the company stakeholders, the CSM and finally to the company as a whole. The feedback from that was overwhelmingly positive. So on to the information!


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=161511
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#1539 - 2013-09-13 16:45:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Quote:
What i want is some dev time on an EVE feature for a change ,that happens to be WIS.
Instead just another out of EvE game


But they are separate games, and the purpose was to broaden the playerbase and incoming money. Question is now, in what direction DUST will go. WIll it have PC client and more enviroments and shared points with EvE or will it become PS3 exclusive for all times? Clear point is that DUST have meaningful avatar gamepley, I dont like that you cant do the avatar look like in eve online, but they achieved something and are patching the game. Shocked

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#1540 - 2013-09-13 16:47:31 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:

And people can say Dust is another game engine and Valkerie is sharing art ,they pull way more dev time from EvE ,than that 5 men dev team called Team Avatar ever could do.


Edit : and show us this time ,what they were doing just before they were disbanded

A five dev team would have to work for a long time before they could bring anything that would be useful in EvE or any other non-alpha game.

The demo that Team Avatar created was a mock-up (in Unity I think) and it was just a proof of concept of something that could become an addition to Eve when the support for avatar based game play is provided.

Putting a small team of devs on upgrading the current avatar engine in Eve would both be futile and totally stupid since it would duplicate the work that their colleges in Georgia are already doing.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.