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Tanthalassa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1501 - 2013-09-13 03:42:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanthalassa
The thing is all that negative posting and unnecessary name-calling by Rhes brings anything related to WiS on front forum page, where CCP can see how many ppl actually care about it.

Actually, I think he is the biggest WiS fan.

In other words, thanks for all the bumps from us, "furries," Rhes Lol
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1502 - 2013-09-13 03:49:28 UTC
Tanthalassa wrote:
The thing is all that negative posting and unnecessary name-calling by Rhes brings anything related to WiS on front forum page, where CCP can see how many ppl actually care about it.

Actually, I think he is the biggest WiS fan.

In other words, thanks for all the bumps from us, "furries," Rhes Lol


Considering that Team Avatar doesn't even exist anymore I'm not too worried about. I also enjoy posting and believe in never stop posting.

Also, there is no need to put the word furries in quotes. They are real.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1503 - 2013-09-13 03:56:52 UTC
Tanthalassa wrote:
The thing is all that negative posting and unnecessary name-calling by Rhes brings anything related to WiS on front forum page, where CCP can see how many ppl actually care about it.

Actually, I think he is the biggest WiS fan.

In other words, thanks for all the bumps from us, "furries," Rhes Lol


Do yourself a favor and use the "hide posts" feature on that rediculous troll like most everyone else has.

The sooner people stop wasting time replying to that tool, the sooner we can get back to the conversation
of what wee need to do to keep WiS moving forward.
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1504 - 2013-09-13 04:06:00 UTC
Soulpirate wrote:
rediculous troll


No need for so much anger, friend.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#1505 - 2013-09-13 04:35:29 UTC
Johan Civire wrote:


The only problem with WiS is that people like you are a dude from the past.

No.

The problem is that CCP doesn't have the code to provide anything close to a releasable avatar based game yet.

(Note that they banned any capture or rebroadcast from the WoD demo at fanfest).

They could have it quite fast if they decided to to go that way.

But going that way without also knowing what they want to do with it and committing that resources to provide it would be business suicide.

(They've tried that, they know.)

Just opening the door and just providing a bleeping corridor that would allow people to bump into each other if docked at same station would require a serious investment of resources based on the current functionality.

And for the "just let us have a bar where we can hang out out with our corpies"-crowd.

Good, write that based on the current code base and you'll have a great future in the industry since you're obviously a magician.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1506 - 2013-09-13 04:45:04 UTC
Lors Dornick wrote:
(Note that they banned any capture or rebroadcast from the WoD demo at fanfest).


I hadn't heard that. Hi-lar-ious.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#1507 - 2013-09-13 04:57:47 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Lors Dornick wrote:
(Note that they banned any capture or rebroadcast from the WoD demo at fanfest).


I hadn't heard that. Hi-lar-ious.

They did show in-game footage from WoD at fanfest but asked/begged that it shouldn't be recorded and published.

As a project lead can understand why, since I don't like wasting my time explaining to wannabe reporters why stuff doesn't look the way they think it should in the middle of a dev cycle.

Stuff _is_ happening in Georgia, WoD and the avatar based engine is far from dead.

(Nor far from Undead, given their IP).

But it's not what we have in CQ, and it's not ready to replace what we have, yet.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1508 - 2013-09-13 04:59:36 UTC
Lors Dornick wrote:
They did show in-game footage from WoD at fanfest but asked/begged that it shouldn't be recorded and published.

As a project lead can understand why, since I don't like wasting my time explaining to wannabe reporters why stuff doesn't look the way they think it should in the middle of a dev cycle.

Stuff _is_ happening in Georgia, WoD and the avatar based engine is far from dead.

(Nor far from Undead, given their IP).

But it's not what we have in CQ, and it's not ready to replace what we have, yet.



I think we all knew that after all the video cards getting set on fire that the engine they used for Eve's WiS was never going to work in an avatar based MMO.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Flamespar
WarRavens
#1509 - 2013-09-13 05:37:13 UTC
Lors Dornick wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Lors Dornick wrote:
(Note that they banned any capture or rebroadcast from the WoD demo at fanfest).


I hadn't heard that. Hi-lar-ious.

They did show in-game footage from WoD at fanfest but asked/begged that it shouldn't be recorded and published.

As a project lead can understand why, since I don't like wasting my time explaining to wannabe reporters why stuff doesn't look the way they think it should in the middle of a dev cycle.

Stuff _is_ happening in Georgia, WoD and the avatar based engine is far from dead.

(Nor far from Undead, given their IP).

But it's not what we have in CQ, and it's not ready to replace what we have, yet.



Since EVE is funding WoD development. I think it is only fair that it should benefit from the avatar technology they develop.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#1510 - 2013-09-13 06:31:22 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
Since EVE is funding WoD development. I think it is only fair that it should benefit from the avatar technology they develop.


Well, I also thought it would be fair to bringt DUST to PC out of the same reason... but hey, maybe, some day? Blink

On having the the CQ active: I practically "used" it from day one, it just became the way stations look like for me.

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1511 - 2013-09-13 06:43:43 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
Since EVE is funding WoD development. I think it is only fair that it should benefit from the avatar technology they develop.


Well, I also thought it would be fair to bringt DUST to PC out of the same reason... but hey, maybe, some day? Blink

On having the the CQ active: I practically "used" it from day one, it just became the way stations look like for me.


Well, actually WoD development was detached form EVE so essentially the Carbon engine they're using in WoD no longer is compatible with EVE's own Carbon. This means that whenever they want to implement WiS, they'll have to port their avatar engine from WoD, but they are not taking that in account. So as far as CCP is concerned, they're letting WoD become a round plug and EVE a square plug, and assuming that if they ever try to plug them together, they'll have to make a lot of adaptation work. Ugh

As for the CQ, it takes so long to load that it hampers my usability of stations, so it's turned off. I turn it on each now and then, but it's not functional when I can dock, swap ships and undock in hangar view before it as much as loads the CQ...

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Cade Windstalker
#1512 - 2013-09-13 09:30:33 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Shalua Rui wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
Since EVE is funding WoD development. I think it is only fair that it should benefit from the avatar technology they develop.


Well, I also thought it would be fair to bringt DUST to PC out of the same reason... but hey, maybe, some day? Blink

On having the the CQ active: I practically "used" it from day one, it just became the way stations look like for me.


Well, actually WoD development was detached form EVE so essentially the Carbon engine they're using in WoD no longer is compatible with EVE's own Carbon. This means that whenever they want to implement WiS, they'll have to port their avatar engine from WoD, but they are not taking that in account. So as far as CCP is concerned, they're letting WoD become a round plug and EVE a square plug, and assuming that if they ever try to plug them together, they'll have to make a lot of adaptation work. Ugh

As for the CQ, it takes so long to load that it hampers my usability of stations, so it's turned off. I turn it on each now and then, but it's not functional when I can dock, swap ships and undock in hangar view before it as much as loads the CQ...


Um, source? Because... it's an engine... there's always going to be a bit of porting and tweaking but this whole idea of "square hole, round plug" for what is, essentially, still the same engine with the same low level hooks sounds ... weird to put it mildly. So, source for this claim?
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#1513 - 2013-09-13 10:49:38 UTC
Rhes wrote:

I speak for the thousands of people who canceled their accounts after Incarna went live. Also, if there was really a great demand for WiS beyond the handful of furries who keep propping up this thread CCP wouldn't have disbanded Team Avatar.


Rhes wrote:

CCP is never going to release the number of people who still have CQ turned on because the entire WiS fiasco was a huge black stain on the game and on CCP's reputation. I still don't understand why this thread is open considering Team Avatar has been disbanded and the roleplayers and furries have their own ghetto forum where they can go and talk about dance parties.


Uninstall EVE and go play LoL brah http://beta.euw.leagueoflegends.com/ you're safe from furries there, only 12 year olds allowed. You can't RP men not afraid of women with your goon buddies like in Second Life but you can make new friends with the same level of intellect and maturity, maybe even borrow their parents' credit cards.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1514 - 2013-09-13 12:57:48 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Shalua Rui wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
Since EVE is funding WoD development. I think it is only fair that it should benefit from the avatar technology they develop.


Well, I also thought it would be fair to bringt DUST to PC out of the same reason... but hey, maybe, some day? Blink

On having the the CQ active: I practically "used" it from day one, it just became the way stations look like for me.


Well, actually WoD development was detached form EVE so essentially the Carbon engine they're using in WoD no longer is compatible with EVE's own Carbon. This means that whenever they want to implement WiS, they'll have to port their avatar engine from WoD, but they are not taking that in account. So as far as CCP is concerned, they're letting WoD become a round plug and EVE a square plug, and assuming that if they ever try to plug them together, they'll have to make a lot of adaptation work. Ugh

As for the CQ, it takes so long to load that it hampers my usability of stations, so it's turned off. I turn it on each now and then, but it's not functional when I can dock, swap ships and undock in hangar view before it as much as loads the CQ...


Um, source? Because... it's an engine... there's always going to be a bit of porting and tweaking but this whole idea of "square hole, round plug" for what is, essentially, still the same engine with the same low level hooks sounds ... weird to put it mildly. So, source for this claim?


Here: http://www.wodnews.net/Home/tabid/41/Article/750/Exclusive-IncarnaCarbon-Forked-Between-EVE-and-WoD-MMO.aspx

With macro development detached since roughly november 2011, essentially whatever goes on in WoD will stay in WoD and anything made at EVE (i.e. zero, nothing, nada) would be EVE only.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1515 - 2013-09-13 13:18:43 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
It's nice I don't have to worry about EVE WiS anymore - too busy running around my ship in Star Citizen hangar. Funny how $40 pledge may quickly turn into $65 and then $110 when you can sit and walk inside ships...


My initial $35 turned into $250 pledge and I added a $100 Drake pirate ship, might splurge on something else before November. And I will think of the goon and his hate for WiS and have a smile on my face as I part with the cash.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#1516 - 2013-09-13 13:29:48 UTC
J3ssica Alba wrote:
Lipbite wrote:
It's nice I don't have to worry about EVE WiS anymore - too busy running around my ship in Star Citizen hangar. Funny how $40 pledge may quickly turn into $65 and then $110 when you can sit and walk inside ships...


My initial $35 turned into $250 pledge and I added a $100 Drake pirate ship, might splurge on something else before November. And I will think of the goon and his hate for WiS and have a smile on my face as I part with the cash.


The economy of Iceland is now reeling and austerity measures are kicking-in because CCP did not receive your $350.00. Roll

Please do get back to us when there's an actual game that can be subscribed to and played against thousands of other people.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1517 - 2013-09-13 13:37:01 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
J3ssica Alba wrote:
Lipbite wrote:
It's nice I don't have to worry about EVE WiS anymore - too busy running around my ship in Star Citizen hangar. Funny how $40 pledge may quickly turn into $65 and then $110 when you can sit and walk inside ships...


My initial $35 turned into $250 pledge and I added a $100 Drake pirate ship, might splurge on something else before November. And I will think of the goon and his hate for WiS and have a smile on my face as I part with the cash.


The economy of Iceland is now reeling and austerity measures are kicking-in because CCP did not receive your $350.00. Roll

Please do get back to us when there's an actual game that can be subscribed to and played against thousands of other people.



Hey I'm still paying CCP, 2 accounts worth. I also would wish that Eve actually went down a path that SC is taking because it would make it literally the BEST game out there. However if Eve lacks WiS when SC comes out then it will be it's loss not mine.
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#1518 - 2013-09-13 13:43:13 UTC
J3ssica Alba wrote:
Hey I'm still paying CCP, 2 accounts worth. I also would wish that Eve actually went down a path that SC is taking because it would make it literally the BEST game out there. However if Eve lacks WiS when SC comes out then it will be it's loss not mine.


Exactly... and that has nothing to do with SC's release model or the, persumed gameplay of the finished product... no, it's the base concept of an unified scifie experience. The lore and unique style of New Eden is so much more then what actually is represented in game (visually and otherwise). Why have all this lore if nobody can experience it? That what boggles my mind...

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#1519 - 2013-09-13 13:46:35 UTC
J3ssica Alba wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
J3ssica Alba wrote:
Lipbite wrote:
It's nice I don't have to worry about EVE WiS anymore - too busy running around my ship in Star Citizen hangar. Funny how $40 pledge may quickly turn into $65 and then $110 when you can sit and walk inside ships...


My initial $35 turned into $250 pledge and I added a $100 Drake pirate ship, might splurge on something else before November. And I will think of the goon and his hate for WiS and have a smile on my face as I part with the cash.


The economy of Iceland is now reeling and austerity measures are kicking-in because CCP did not receive your $350.00. Roll

Please do get back to us when there's an actual game that can be subscribed to and played against thousands of other people.



I also would wish that Eve actually went down a path that SC is taking because it would make it literally the BEST game out there. However if Eve lacks WiS when SC comes out then it will be it's loss not mine.


You will excuse me if I don't hold my breath, I'm already playing the best game out there today.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#1520 - 2013-09-13 14:14:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Doc Fury wrote:
You will excuse me if I don't hold my breath, I'm already playing the best game out there today.

Them I'm certain you will excuse us, if we think CCP could still aim higher, no? Blink

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)