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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#1461 - 2013-09-11 16:03:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Rhes wrote:
Reported for racism.

That's a racial stereotype even used by the media, not racism... just saying.

Lateris wrote:
Personally, Dust 514 is not the solution for avatars in New Eden. We are.

Very true Lateris, thank you!

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#1462 - 2013-09-11 16:15:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Lors Dornick
Lateris wrote:
Lets look at the WOD tech and see how it can be applied to Eve Online.

That was exactly what gave us CQ in the first place.

And it was the forced downscaling of the WoD development that left CQ in the state it is.

When the tech in WoD is at an acceptable level of functionality you can be sure that CCP is going to take a very close look on it to see what could be used in EvE.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1463 - 2013-09-11 16:33:35 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Reported for racism.

That's a racial stereotype even used by the media, not racism... just saying.


Only on Fox News.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1464 - 2013-09-11 16:36:18 UTC
Lateris wrote:
Personally, Dust 514 is not the solution for avatars in New Eden.


At least you got this part right. Dust was always going to be a failure and people thinking that it can be used as a way to cram non-spaceship content into Eve are delusional. Again, resources that are currently being wasted on Dust should be refocused on Eve. WoD is just vaporware at this point so I'm not worried about it at all.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Lateris
#1465 - 2013-09-11 18:29:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Lateris
Rhes wrote:
Lateris wrote:
Personally, Dust 514 is not the solution for avatars in New Eden.


At least you got this part right. Dust was always going to be a failure and people thinking that it can be used as a way to cram non-spaceship content into Eve are delusional. Again, resources that are currently being wasted on Dust should be refocused on Eve. WoD is just vaporware at this point so I'm not worried about it at all.



I think a fine line has to be drawn between Eve and Dust 514 in terms of content and talent, but make note I do support the deployment of Dust 514 and the integration into Eve as well as WiS. I don't support the cash shop for Eve, I feel the players should craft all clothing items which again requires resources and lots of time. I do feel Dust 514 has more potential after playing with the UDK development tools for the UT III Engine. And we can see MMO after MMO from South Korea with the same engine making rather large worlds to explore and play in. And I promise I do not imply to copy the wow formula (me hates wow). A FPS lobby is not essentially the sole solution for New Eden since it is so large. The strength behind Dust 514 is Eve and the technology that integrates both games, it is pioneering. The Dev's report from the beginning of this thread is how many pilots would appreciate a more Eve-sh approach to game play for an Eve avatar. Although the original plans for WiS in terms of content are still acceptable like Sec Wars.


After 2011 I doubt we will see any WiS for quite some time. I hope I am wrong. Maybe there is hope with colonization but I doubt it. Avatars just might be dead in this game due to the community and the cash shop. It might be dead as flying over the surface of a moon in Eve. time will tell-

Fly eradicate!! Its a good debate and not to be too mooshy but we all love this game and want to see it survive the mainstream /.

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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1466 - 2013-09-11 18:39:32 UTC
Rhes wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
You forgot about the furries and the roleplayers ,maybe it wil help us to take you serious


You seem very interested in furries.


my dog died ,i am.looking for a new pet

R.S.I2014
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1467 - 2013-09-11 18:40:46 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Shalua Rui wrote:
I'm not saying that CCP should ignore everything that is broken in the game right now... and if they'd build a dedicated team for the whole "avatar gameplay" (not calling it WiS anymore) they wouldn't have to ignore them.


Any resources they waste on a separate team dedicated to roleplaying nonsense are resources that could have been used to improve and enhance Eve's core gameplay.



Just put them on Valkerie and we will be fine right??

R.S.I2014
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1468 - 2013-09-11 18:58:29 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Shalua Rui wrote:
I'm not saying that CCP should ignore everything that is broken in the game right now... and if they'd build a dedicated team for the whole "avatar gameplay" (not calling it WiS anymore) they wouldn't have to ignore them.


Any resources they waste on a separate team dedicated to roleplaying nonsense are resources that could have been used to improve and enhance Eve's core gameplay.



Just put them on Valkerie and we will be fine right??


Well at least Valkyrie is spaceship content.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#1469 - 2013-09-11 19:02:28 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Well at least Valkyrie is spaceship content.


Yea... arcade, CoD style spaceship combat that will, most likely, never have anything to do with EVE...

...uh, right, no "space barbies", I forgot ...it gotta be alright then, right? Blink

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Taiwanistan
#1470 - 2013-09-11 19:10:22 UTC
you know tbh i'd be emoting with yall in wod when it get released, but please don't attach an useless tumor on eve "because a bunch of dudes really want to emote each other, in a room".

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#1471 - 2013-09-11 19:16:26 UTC
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1472 - 2013-09-11 19:18:56 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Well at least Valkyrie is spaceship content.


Yea... arcade, CoD style spaceship combat that will, most likely, never have anything to do with EVE...

...uh, right, no "space barbies", I forgot ...it gotta be alright then, right? Blink


I'm not wildly enthusiastic about Valkyrie but I figure it will be vaporware like WoD so I'm not getting worked up about it. My point was that even though Valkyrie sounds kind of dumb it at least makes more sense than dance parties and clothing boutiques.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1473 - 2013-09-11 20:10:13 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Shalua Rui wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Well at least Valkyrie is spaceship content.


Yea... arcade, CoD style spaceship combat that will, most likely, never have anything to do with EVE...

...uh, right, no "space barbies", I forgot ...it gotta be alright then, right? Blink


I'm not wildly enthusiastic about Valkyrie but I figure it will be vaporware like WoD so I'm not getting worked up about it. My point was that even though Valkyrie sounds kind of dumb it at least makes more sense than dance parties and clothing boutiques.



Try to spell that backwards and it says "i am dumb and dummer"

So Recourses waisted on out of EvE stuff is perfectly fine ,but on an EvE feature the Goons are getting furious.
That drunk loudmouth must pay you a lot of isk to react to these forums

R.S.I2014
Silent Rambo
Orion Positronics
#1474 - 2013-09-11 21:16:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Silent Rambo
Rhes wrote:
at least makes more sense than dance parties and clothing boutiques.


This guy is just a super forum troll. Logic is impervious to the thickness of his skull. Any argument, no matter how well crafted will have him spouting 'Herp derp, barbies and furries" nonsense because he has no real argument. This works great in convincing absolutely no one of any actual cons to walking in stations. All it does is show how much of a **** this guy is, or anyone who genuinely believes that the implementation of WiS would be equivalent to barbies and furries.

EvE is a great game, and it will grow to be even better when everyone starts ignoring people with no imagination or vision. The word "never" should be changes to, 'if we can figure out how to correctly implement".

You really think someone would do that? Just log into EvE and tell lies?
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1475 - 2013-09-11 21:22:08 UTC
Silent Rambo wrote:
Rhes wrote:
at least makes more sense than dance parties and clothing boutiques.


This guy is just a super forum troll. Logic is impervious to the thickness of his skull. Any argument, no matter how well crafted will have him spouting 'Herp derp, barbies and furries" nonsense because he has no real argument. This works great in convincing absolutely no one of any actual cons to walking in stations. All it does is show how much of a **** this guy is, or anyone who genuinely believes that the implementation of WiS would be equivalent to barbies and furries.

EvE is a great game, and it will grow to be even better when everyone starts ignoring people with no imagination or vision. The word "never" should be changes to, 'if we can figure out how to correctly implement".


Here is some logic for you: When CCP added WiS to the game they lost a ton of subscribers. When they apologized and promised to focus on spaceships again they stopped losing subscribers. When they actually did what they promised to do subscriptions have risen every quarter since Incarna.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#1476 - 2013-09-11 23:41:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Little Dragon Khamez
Rhes wrote:
Silent Rambo wrote:
Rhes wrote:
at least makes more sense than dance parties and clothing boutiques.


This guy is just a super forum troll. Logic is impervious to the thickness of his skull. Any argument, no matter how well crafted will have him spouting 'Herp derp, barbies and furries" nonsense because he has no real argument. This works great in convincing absolutely no one of any actual cons to walking in stations. All it does is show how much of a **** this guy is, or anyone who genuinely believes that the implementation of WiS would be equivalent to barbies and furries.

EvE is a great game, and it will grow to be even better when everyone starts ignoring people with no imagination or vision. The word "never" should be changes to, 'if we can figure out how to correctly implement".


Here is some logic for you: When CCP added WiS to the game they lost a ton of subscribers. When they apologized and promised to focus on spaceships again they stopped losing subscribers. When they actually did what they promised to do subscriptions have risen every quarter since Incarna.


People cancelled because of the gold ammo and pay to win crap as per the leaked memo, not the avatar stuff. I think CCP are going to regret lack of avatar game play when their competitor's start eating in to their market share and subs drop.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1477 - 2013-09-11 23:42:09 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
People cancelled because of the gold ammo and pay to win crap as per the leaked memo, not the avatar stuff. I think CCP are going to regret lack of avatar game play when their competitor's start eating to their market share and subs drop.


No, people canceled because Eve was ignored for two years and all we had to show for it was a room with a couch and a laughably bad microtransaction store. Why do you want CCP to ignore Eve again?

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#1478 - 2013-09-11 23:45:06 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
People cancelled because of the gold ammo and pay to win crap as per the leaked memo, not the avatar stuff. I think CCP are going to regret lack of avatar game play when their competitor's start eating to their market share and subs drop.


No, people canceled because Eve was ignored for two years and all we had to show for it was a room with a couch and a laughably bad microtransaction store. Why do you want CCP to ignore Eve again?


It's been ignored ever since, ui changes and balancing ships are not expansions. Dust got all of the love, not eve.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1479 - 2013-09-12 00:00:04 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
People cancelled because of the gold ammo and pay to win crap as per the leaked memo, not the avatar stuff. I think CCP are going to regret lack of avatar game play when their competitor's start eating to their market share and subs drop.


No, people canceled because Eve was ignored for two years and all we had to show for it was a room with a couch and a laughably bad microtransaction store. Why do you want CCP to ignore Eve again?


It's been ignored ever since, ui changes and balancing ships are not expansions. Dust got all of the love, not eve.


Actually Eve is in a great place now compared to where it was right before Incarna was released. Long-abandoned ship classes are being used regularly, Tidi has made awesome fleet fights possible, the UI is finally becoming useable, etc. It's a testament to what CCP can accomplish when they aren't catering to furries.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1480 - 2013-09-12 02:44:00 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
People cancelled because of the gold ammo and pay to win crap as per the leaked memo, not the avatar stuff. I think CCP are going to regret lack of avatar game play when their competitor's start eating to their market share and subs drop.


No, people canceled because Eve was ignored for two years and all we had to show for it was a room with a couch and a laughably bad microtransaction store. Why do you want CCP to ignore Eve again?


It's been ignored ever since, ui changes and balancing ships are not expansions. Dust got all of the love, not eve.


Actually Eve is in a great place now compared to where it was right before Incarna was released. Long-abandoned ship classes are being used regularly, Tidi has made awesome fleet fights possible, the UI is finally becoming useable, etc. It's a testament to what CCP can accomplish when they aren't catering to furries.


Since you blame Wis for the rage ,let CCP roll back those 2 years and start over again from there and lets see how good this game is without recoding EvE software .One of the things they did for the most part in that time.

R.S.I2014