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GM Team Locks Discussion Thread About Impersonating By Using Pointless Irrelevant Answer

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Comor Dunathis
Ex Alis Angeli
#1 - 2013-09-09 17:52:14 UTC
Tell me, CCP Eterne, how does an irrelevant post by a GM about character names in the EULA affect the TOS update that bans lying?
Blawrf McTaggart
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-09-09 17:52:56 UTC
Locked you can't make threads discussing moderation
BadAssMcKill
Aliastra
#3 - 2013-09-09 17:53:04 UTC
Shhhhhhh
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#4 - 2013-09-09 17:53:09 UTC
It always has.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-09-09 17:53:50 UTC
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2013-09-09 17:53:55 UTC
While this wasn't the way I was going to make the point, I do not feel I received an adequate answer to my issues and I strongly disagree the rule change "changed nothing" and the thread should have remained open, and since this thread exists I may as well note that here.

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KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-09-09 17:54:05 UTC
Just getting mah post in before this one gets locked too!

Too bad, the other topic was going places, and I wanted to see them.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-09-09 17:54:31 UTC
CCP Damage Control. Answer concerns with irrelevant post, lock thread.

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Lady Areola Fappington
#9 - 2013-09-09 17:54:34 UTC
Hush there's been no change you know better

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Tron 3K
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-09-09 17:54:59 UTC
I love you guys!
Comor Dunathis
Ex Alis Angeli
#11 - 2013-09-09 17:55:20 UTC
Apparently, discussing how CCP staff post pointless and irrelevant stuff that's been changed since they copied it is starting a flame war.

Who knew?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#12 - 2013-09-09 17:55:26 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
CCP Damage Control. Answer concerns with irrelevant post, lock thread.

And lock all the other threads as well.

If only real life lawmakers could do this. Except well the gms count as eve is real

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Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-09-09 17:55:53 UTC
We got an answer. That's good. The answer didn't have anything to do with the change though, so that's bad. A solid 0 for you, CCP.
Tron 3K
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-09-09 17:57:18 UTC
Tron 3K wrote:
I love you guys!

I lied! You all die! Die in a fire!
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-09-09 17:58:51 UTC
I had this all typed up for reply in the other thread before I got the 404 from locking it.

He seems to believe that this rule already existed. It did not.

GM's text from other thread.

Impersonation has been prohibited for a long time.

The EULA clearly states that:

“No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity”

A similar clause has been in the EVE Online Naming Policy for a good while:

“c. No player may use the character name of another player to falsely represent his or her identity. Player created corporation and alliance names also fall under this policy, as do names of any other in-game entities.”

The TOS update is therefore nothing new, merely a clarification of what has been policy for ages.

Recruitment scams using your own corp/alliance are fine, claiming to be working on behalf of players/groups of players you're not affiliated with is considered impersonation and a violation of our policies.


The new rule:
You may not impersonate or present yourself to be a representative of CCP or an EVE Online volunteer. You may not impersonate or falsely present yourself to be a representative of another player, group of players, character or NPC entity."

The old rules covered the situations where characters would use similar names to confuse and impersonate. Maybe substituting a lowercase L for an I (i). Or naming their corp something similar to an existing one to secure ISK transfers. These I agree should be covered. No one had an issue with that.

The new rule goes much further. It says no one can impersonate a CFC representative and sell our r64s, or rentals space. This is wrong and new. If someone wants to come along and sell Ice mining permits in our name (this has happened for years now) they should be allowed to. You HAVE changed the rules and claiming to have not done so is disingenuous at best. Locking the thread before we could reply to your post is either further attempt at silencing debate or a complete misunderstanding of what was allowed.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#16 - 2013-09-09 17:58:55 UTC
Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:
We got an answer. That's good. The answer didn't have anything to do with the change though, so that's bad. A solid 0 for you, CCP.

Yeah, that's a solid non-answer. Case closed!

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KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-09-09 17:59:04 UTC
Tron 3K wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:
I love you guys!

I lied! You all die! Die in a fire!

Im pretty sure lying is a bannable offense now. Goodbye!

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#18 - 2013-09-09 18:00:46 UTC
Aryth wrote:
I had this all typed up for reply in the other thread before I got the 404 from locking it.

He seems to believe that this rule already existed. It did not.

GM's text from other thread.

Impersonation has been prohibited for a long time.

The EULA clearly states that:

“No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity”

A similar clause has been in the EVE Online Naming Policy for a good while:

“c. No player may use the character name of another player to falsely represent his or her identity. Player created corporation and alliance names also fall under this policy, as do names of any other in-game entities.”

The TOS update is therefore nothing new, merely a clarification of what has been policy for ages.

Recruitment scams using your own corp/alliance are fine, claiming to be working on behalf of players/groups of players you're not affiliated with is considered impersonation and a violation of our policies.


The new rule:
You may not impersonate or present yourself to be a representative of CCP or an EVE Online volunteer. You may not impersonate or falsely present yourself to be a representative of another player, group of players, character or NPC entity."

The old rules covered the situations where characters would use similar names to confuse and impersonate. Maybe substituting a lowercase L for an I (i). Or naming their corp something similar to an existing one to secure ISK transfers. These I agree should be covered. No one had an issue with that.

The new rule goes much further. It says no one can impersonate a CFC representative and sell our r64s, or rentals space. This is wrong and new. If someone wants to come along and sell Ice mining permits in our name (this has happened for years now) they should be allowed to. You HAVE changed the rules and claiming to have not done so is disingenuous at best. Locking the thread before we could reply to your post is either further attempt at silencing debate or a complete misunderstanding of what was allowed.

Maybe the rule should go even further. Damn scammers

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Cyrus Sinak
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-09-09 18:01:00 UTC
Posting in a whine thread about a New Order wants more power to grief miners but isn't getting it thread.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#20 - 2013-09-09 18:02:19 UTC
Cyrus Sinak wrote:
Posting in a whine thread about a New Order wants more power to grief miners but isn't getting it thread.

The new order doesn't exist

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