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you want more people going to nullsec? then buff highsec!

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#341 - 2013-09-07 09:52:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Harry Forever wrote:

you just don't know what people want, biggest games out there have arenas, its not killing games, the biggest games have it... the ones who get played by millions

You mean the ones that go free 2 play in a matter of months, because they've been ruined by morons with ideas like yours?

Name the games with arenas that have millions of players. You can exclude World of Warcraft, it is not the norm, it is an outlier, and its subs are falling, 10-15% down last time I looked.

I'd also like to see how Tennis, a game played with between 2 (singles) & 4 (doubles) players on the court (field of battle) at a time, is relevant to Eve, a game where between 2 and 4000 people can be on the field at a time. The only commonality is the number 2.

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Barzai Mekhar
True Confusion
#342 - 2013-09-07 09:56:43 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Barzai Mekhar wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Barzai Mekhar wrote:


We discuss online games and you throw Tennis into the discussion. Really. Because we all know that "Tennis online-The game" is the next blockbuster waiting to happen.

As for the additional resources solving the problem - sure. Worked great for SWTOR, worked great for Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer, will work great here. Maybe you should sum up your thoughts on the issue in an open letter to CCP's CEO, explaining how he's handling his game all wrong, I'm sure even guys in suits can use a laugh now and then.


the tennis comparison sure was too much for you


Indeed, that someone could come up with the idea to argue "it works for tennis, so it should work for online games" strongly taxed my ability to trust what my eyes were reading.


it was a reverence that gameplay is important nothing more, use your brain


Yes, gameplay is important. You just ignore the fact that a significant number of failures in the MMO market during the last years have shown that gameplay alone isn't enough to create long term motivation in the MMO market. Italic, bolded, underlined, and if I could make it blink I would. This isn't about Tennis, Jenga, Monopoly, Soccer or even Online-Shooters, it's about MMO's. There have been a large number of MMO's that were praised for their innovative gameplay during the first few months that subsequently bled players like a slaughtered pig because in the MMO market innovative, jump into the fray gameplay action isnt enough.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#343 - 2013-09-07 10:04:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Barzai Mekhar wrote:

Yes, gameplay is important. You just ignore the fact that a significant number of failures in the MMO market during the last years have shown that gameplay alone isn't enough to create long term motivation in the MMO market. Italic, bolded, underlined, and if I could make it blink I would. This isn't about Tennis, Jenga, Monopoly, Soccer or even Online-Shooters, it's about MMO's. There have been a large number of MMO's that were praised for their innovative gameplay during the first few months that subsequently bled players like a slaughtered pig because in the MMO market innovative, jump into the fray gameplay action isnt enough.

He doesn't care, he wants to be able to jump straight into a 500 v 500 man battle for a few months and then bugger off to the next big thing, leaving whatever game him and his ilk have just left to wither and die.

I, for one, refuse to let people like him kill a game I've invested years into, just so they can get instant jollies for a few months. Not on my watch, and judging from the majority of posts not on anybody elses either.

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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
#344 - 2013-09-07 10:10:33 UTC
Barzai Mekhar wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Barzai Mekhar wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Barzai Mekhar wrote:


We discuss online games and you throw Tennis into the discussion. Really. Because we all know that "Tennis online-The game" is the next blockbuster waiting to happen.

As for the additional resources solving the problem - sure. Worked great for SWTOR, worked great for Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer, will work great here. Maybe you should sum up your thoughts on the issue in an open letter to CCP's CEO, explaining how he's handling his game all wrong, I'm sure even guys in suits can use a laugh now and then.


the tennis comparison sure was too much for you


Indeed, that someone could come up with the idea to argue "it works for tennis, so it should work for online games" strongly taxed my ability to trust what my eyes were reading.


it was a reverence that gameplay is important nothing more, use your brain


Yes, gameplay is important. You just ignore the fact that a significant number of failures in the MMO market during the last years have shown that gameplay alone isn't enough to create long term motivation in the MMO market. Italic, bolded, underlined, and if I could make it blink I would. This isn't about Tennis, Jenga, Monopoly, Soccer or even Online-Shooters, it's about MMO's. There have been a large number of MMO's that were praised for their innovative gameplay during the first few months that subsequently bled players like a slaughtered pig because in the MMO market innovative, jump into the fray gameplay action isnt enough.


it is enough to attract players, after that they switch to the metagame if that provides what is needed, however if the metagame only consists of holding you back and never giving you what you want, the people just come back because of that and not because of the gameplay... for the long run thats never a ideal situation

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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
#345 - 2013-09-07 10:12:36 UTC
Roime wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Roime wrote:
Is that a counter-argument to something? Do you present that as a fact?

Harry, how old are you?


wow now your posts got to a new low, close to getting blocked now


Do you present the 90% PVE as a fact, or was it a counter-argument to "EVE is a single-shard, persistent open world MMO"?

And how old are you btw?



just look at the map, who gets killed, its PvE ships, not PvP, the ratio is 90% for sure

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#346 - 2013-09-07 10:14:34 UTC
Ok, so you claim that 90% of all kills are PVE ships "for sure".

I think you are ********.


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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#347 - 2013-09-07 10:16:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Roime wrote:
Ok, so you claim that 90% of all kills are PVE ships "for sure".

I think you are ******* ********.


FTFY

Isn't about time for him to claim an IQ of 150 and a job involving the purchase and planning of €100,000,000 again? *his words not mine, although I would love to see who was dumb enough to employ him to do such a thing.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#348 - 2013-09-07 10:17:01 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:

just look at the map, who gets killed, its PvE ships, not PvP, the ratio is 90% for sure


Wrong again. The most killed ships in EVE are pvp fit frigates.
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
#349 - 2013-09-07 10:18:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Roime wrote:
Ok, so you claim that 90% of all kills are PVE ships "for sure".

I think you are ********.




yes, you can check the info with the map, maybe its even 99 PvE ships vs. 1 PvP ship

just check it, good one Aunia 10 Player ships destroyed vs. 14.000 pirate ships in the last 24 hours... lol

just randomly clicked on the first one

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#350 - 2013-09-07 10:18:48 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

just look at the map, who gets killed, its PvE ships, not PvP, the ratio is 90% for sure


Wrong again. The most killed ships in EVE are pvp fit frigates.

Your facts, and your logic, are irrelevant. Harry is speaking and we must all heed his words Roll

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flakeys
Doomheim
#351 - 2013-09-07 10:28:59 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Barzai Mekhar wrote:


We discuss online games and you throw Tennis into the discussion. Really. Because we all know that "Tennis online-The game" is the next blockbuster waiting to happen.

As for the additional resources solving the problem - sure. Worked great for SWTOR, worked great for Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer, will work great here. Maybe you should sum up your thoughts on the issue in an open letter to CCP's CEO, explaining how he's handling his game all wrong, I'm sure even guys in suits can use a laugh now and then.


the tennis comparison sure was too much for you, sorry you did not understand the meaning of it

and if you run out of arguments you start laughing, like some headless chicken, funny



At least better then asking a thread to be locked every time you run out of arguments.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
#352 - 2013-09-07 10:29:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
baltec1 wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

just look at the map, who gets killed, its PvE ships, not PvP, the ratio is 90% for sure


Wrong again. The most killed ships in EVE are pvp fit frigates.


check the map dude! the ratio is 100 vs. 1 at least!

are you dreaming! login and check the map!

you all have no clue about what is done in this game! its PvE 99%! you can check every system every spot on the map

tens of thousands pirate ships destroyed each day, vs. 10-20 PvP ships on average... per system! nullsec is no different!

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SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#353 - 2013-09-07 10:39:13 UTC
this is just getting ******** now.. can a CCP come in here and put him in his place please? CCP Soundwave you left at the wrong time Sad

I disagree
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#354 - 2013-09-07 10:44:22 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

just look at the map, who gets killed, its PvE ships, not PvP, the ratio is 90% for sure


Wrong again. The most killed ships in EVE are pvp fit frigates.


check the map dude! the ratio is 100 vs. 1 at least!

are you dreaming! login and check the map!

you all have no clue about what is done in this game! its PvE 99%! you can check every system every spot on the map

tens of thousands pirate ships destroyed each day, vs. 10-20 PvP ships on average... per system! nullsec is no different!


NPC ships don't count you raving lunatic. They fit ships better than you do, I'll give them that.

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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
#355 - 2013-09-07 10:44:58 UTC
SKINE DMZ wrote:
this is just getting ******** now.. can a CCP come in here and put him in his place please? CCP Soundwave you left at the wrong time Sad


can someone come in here and give SKINE his dummy please? Sad

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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
#356 - 2013-09-07 10:50:03 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

just look at the map, who gets killed, its PvE ships, not PvP, the ratio is 90% for sure


Wrong again. The most killed ships in EVE are pvp fit frigates.


check the map dude! the ratio is 100 vs. 1 at least!

are you dreaming! login and check the map!

you all have no clue about what is done in this game! its PvE 99%! you can check every system every spot on the map

tens of thousands pirate ships destroyed each day, vs. 10-20 PvP ships on average... per system! nullsec is no different!


NPC ships don't count you raving lunatic. They fit ships better than you do, I'll give them that.


are you stupid man, he mentioned there are more pvp frigs killed vs. pve ships although the ratio is 1 to 100

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#357 - 2013-09-07 10:50:10 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Roime wrote:
Ok, so you claim that 90% of all kills are PVE ships "for sure".

I think you are ********.




yes, you can check the info with the map, maybe its even 99 PvE ships vs. 1 PvP ship

just check it, good one Aunia 10 Player ships destroyed vs. 14.000 pirate ships in the last 24 hours... lol

just randomly clicked on the first one


You mean NPCs, not PVE ships. Yes, you are correct, many times more NPCs die in EVE. Any player can kill hundreds of NPCs in an hour. If I get 5 kills per a solo roam, I'm very happy and call it a good night.

What this actually tells that NPCs are trivially easy to kill (even miners add to that total by just having scout drones out), and players are hard to kill.

It doesn't tell that 90% players are doing PVE.

Aunia is hisec, btw.







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SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#358 - 2013-09-07 10:54:27 UTC  |  Edited by: SKINE DMZ
Harry Forever wrote:
SKINE DMZ wrote:
this is just getting ******** now.. can a CCP come in here and put him in his place please? CCP Soundwave you left at the wrong time Sad


can someone come in here and give SKINE his dummy please? Sad

That would be great.. it is a little sad that after 19 pages of people telling you arenas does not fit in this game what so ever you still do not understand.. you have some real issues my dear Harry.. some real serious issues.

There are three options for you right now

1. Join FW or RVB and get into fights quick (frigate/cruiser fights)
2. Quit the game because it does not offer what you want, nor are the developers going to give it to you
3. Shut up and keep playing, maybe start understanding what EVE is and why these kind of changes would never fit in this sandbox.

I disagree
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#359 - 2013-09-07 10:54:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Harry Forever wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

NPC ships don't count you raving lunatic. They fit ships better than you do, I'll give them that.


are you stupid man, he mentioned there are more pvp frigs killed vs. pve ships although the ratio is 1 to 100


PvE ships are ships flown by players engaged in PvE, PvP ships are ships flown by players engaged in PvP, NPC ships are referred to as rats or NPCs.

Before you start calling people stupid you should learn the nomenclature that is in common use in the game that you're playing, although in your case learning seems to be a foreign idea.

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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
#360 - 2013-09-07 10:56:35 UTC
Roime wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Roime wrote:
Ok, so you claim that 90% of all kills are PVE ships "for sure".

I think you are ********.




yes, you can check the info with the map, maybe its even 99 PvE ships vs. 1 PvP ship

just check it, good one Aunia 10 Player ships destroyed vs. 14.000 pirate ships in the last 24 hours... lol

just randomly clicked on the first one


You mean NPCs, not PVE ships. Yes, you are correct, many times more NPCs die in EVE. Any player can kill hundreds of NPCs in an hour. If I get 5 kills per a solo roam, I'm very happy and call it a good night.

What this actually tells that NPCs are trivially easy to kill (even miners add to that total by just having scout drones out), and players are hard to kill.

It doesn't tell that 90% players are doing PVE.

Aunia is hisec, btw.





honestly you got no clue how the people play the game, nullsec is even worse, the ratio even higher, they spend 99% of the time killing rats, only a handfull of players do PvP, just check the ratio on the map there, and wake up

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