EVE General Discussion

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I'm going around in cirles?
You are claiming you want null sec players to have to work to keep their POCO, yet you still have not addressed the key issue, which has been mentioned several hundred times.
Here it is again:
If a POCO takes too much to defend and still only provides a tiny fraction of income, null alliances will stop using them. How can you prevent your idea from causing a POCO to simply become a deprecated feature?

Hand holding or not, the way it works as it is works well, just means you can;t solo kill a POCO. The fact that it makes you so sad that you come crying on the forum about it means it's doing a good job there too.

Without a reinforcement timer, it wouldn't matter if it had 1 HP or 100m HP. We've already pointed out that a 10 man gang even is crappy ships can drop a poco to reinforce in 15 minutes. It would take a 10 man gang with 800 dps maybe 25 minutes to drop it completely with no reinforce timer. Considering there's hundreds of potential spots for POCOs, the cost involved in makeing sure there was always a defense fleet available and a triage fleet to rep it afterwards would mean a POCO would need to generate more income than R64s. If CCP make a POCO give out more income than R64s, then I'm happy for them to make this change. If not, then the change would only send POCO mechanics to their grave.

I think you misunderstand. They are considered trash because you "elite solo pvpers" put every mod you possibly can on your ship to make it unable to be found and killed. You only decloak when you are close to 100% chance of a victory and run away as soon as there is a threat. There is simply no point in us wasting our time waiting for you to decide to make a move.

Why would I waste my time trying to explain that you're wrong, when you've already dismissed everybody else who's told you that you're wrong? You're so convinced that you're right, and everybody else is wrong, that to do so would be pointless.

Make it worth my while, send me a few hundred million isk to review your posts, and I'll go through them and pull out all the wrong stuff in them. Then you can ignore all the stuff I say and tell me that I'm wrong, like you've told everybody else that they're wrong, despite the fact that they have the experience and knowledge you lack. I'll even put it up for peer review, peer meaning people who know what they're talking about, which would be the ones you've already dismissed.

Put up or shut up.

i just honestly think as posted previous its not the whole fact that people are renting, people are taking up their offer and accepting it as the norm, but they are happy it works for both of them.

when your a small corp of 30 guys or an alliance of 150, why would you want to make an enemy of someone who is right next door and is 20 times bigger then you when you can easily make profit, be involved in the action in fleets, have access to PI, belts and anoms and work your way up to getting your own space with the backing of the guys you was originally renting from.

that is if your actually making an effort to work with them and not just using them as a renter.

its your own decision to pay the stupid price noones telling you it has to be done this way.

Flash

... and remember if they bring two T3s you are only allowed two T1s... any more and you are blobing... and they don't believe that is fair.

I've been pvping since about late 2003...

I don't have any issues finding targets in null. I'm not complaining about lack of targets, there are lots. I'm simply saying that as in high sec, as in low sec, if you can afford to fly it you should be afford to lose it. If you deploy a player owned structure, it should be able to be damaged and even destroyed.

Now they can be damaged and destroyed, sure, but realistically, by a small gang or a medium gang, no. Any small gang or medium gang that turns up at the "allotted" time is going to be facestomped.

Basically this means you have indestructible player owned objects at least in regards to small and medium gangs. This is okay in WoW, its fine in The Sims and Second Life. But this is EvE... **** blows up. If your 100m isk POCO is so terribly hard to lose and you're in Null you have more to worry about than POCO's.

So this character is just an alt then?

If a small or medium gang takes on a 10000 man alliance, yes, they get their face stomped. I wouldn't walk into a packed biker bar and start smashing up their tables and expect to leave with my knees in tact, even if I only smashed the empty tables.
EDIT: Oh and destroying a large POS in high sec takes a war dec 24 hours in advance, a huge gang (since caps can't come into high sec), then has a reinforce timer. Since most corps in high sec leave their BPOs in the station and remotely use them, they don't run the risk of losing them, and warping straight from POS shield to station (as there's no interdiction bubbles to stop them) means they can get everything out. High sec POCOs are completely invulnerable.

Again, they are not indestructible. They have the right amount of defense in relation to their profit. If you want to make them easier to kill, they need to increase the profit considerably.

Yeah its called ice.

Also it will never change no matter how much you complain on forums , if you were to take sov would you not want 4 bil a month passive income?

So go reinforce a whole bunch of them and force your target alliance to pick one or split their forces. Or pick an appropriately sized target that can't "facestomp" you.

I didn't say I was a good PvP'r nor did I say I was a full time PvP'r. I have a okay K/D ratio for solo pvp'r, actually its pretty damn good for a solo PvP'r. My last PvP sortie I killed 32 nullbears for 2 losses. Get out of your blobs and go try solo pvp in billion isk ships without jumpcloning and lets see how you do. If you can beat my 32 for 2 I'll give you 10 billion isk, happy to transfer it to Chribba if you like. Fraps it I'll be interested to see how you do in null all alone.

I disagree with your argument on POCO's.