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So this is it for eve, is this the future, is it?

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Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#341 - 2013-08-30 05:23:59 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
No I think they're right you know. Goonswarm needs time to defend their POCO's. First they need to send a scout to check numbers. Then they need to form up their fleets. Then they need to check again to make sure numbers haven't spiked. Then they have to send a bunch of cynos alts out. Then they have to form up more fleets. And then, only then, are they capable of taking on a small to medium gang of subcaps.

I mean, you can't expect a 12000 man alliance to have enough members on at low population hours to defend themselves. That's crazy thinking man.

Makes perfect sense for a 100m isk module to take 24 hours to kill. How foolish were we...
Can you get those last 5% and be entirely dishonest?
It'll be an experiment, I am sure.

I'm not sure why you go to such lengths to actively misrepresent goons. You'd do a much better job if you represented and countered some of their actual views in other areas.
I'm not sure why you want to misrepresent the entirety of sov. 0.0 either, and I guess we'll never know.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#342 - 2013-08-30 05:24:19 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Makes perfect sense for a 100m isk module to take 24 hours to kill. How foolish were we...

Considering the number of bad posts you're making about this topic I'm left wondering why you aren't willing to put the same amount of effort into actually killing some POCOs.

Because it's effortless for us to rep the damn thing, obviously.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Freakdevil
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#343 - 2013-08-30 05:43:24 UTC
All I can say is better for some sucker to be playing Space Trucker than me.

Outsourcing is the new Black.
Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#344 - 2013-08-30 05:45:45 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
....the German U-Boats...

So yeah, in real life....
Nazi Germany a large and powerful power failed to achieve this goal.

The question wasn't whether a comparable could power achieve this, but could an very small power do it.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#345 - 2013-08-30 05:51:16 UTC
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
....the German U-Boats...

So yeah, in real life....
**** Germany a large and powerful power failed to achieve this goal.

The question wasn't whether a comparable could power achieve this, but could an very small power do it.

So basically, if you formed a coalition to destroy GSF, you could gank their structures.

Someone call in progodlegend.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#346 - 2013-08-30 05:57:37 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

So basically, if you formed a coalition to destroy GSF, you could gank their structures.

Someone call in progodlegend.

Big smile
Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#347 - 2013-08-30 06:01:58 UTC
JinSanJong wrote:
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Why is it stupid? Isnt the whole point that you ARE supposed to defend those assets? Are you not supposed to really have around the clock guards? I mean everyone or thing important as 24/7 arm guards don't they on earth?
Seriously? You want to change the game so that assets must be defended 24/7? Are you a GOON ALT!!!

Highsec would be ripped apart. How many small Highsec corp can have someone online 24/7. New players would sign off and come back to find nothing. The only ones would would be able to protect anything would be the large alliances.

Your plan is just evil. Twisted
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#348 - 2013-08-30 06:04:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:
JinSanJong wrote:
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Why is it stupid? Isnt the whole point that you ARE supposed to defend those assets? Are you not supposed to really have around the clock guards? I mean everyone or thing important as 24/7 arm guards don't they on earth?
Seriously? You want to change the game so that assets must be defended 24/7? Are you a GOON ALT!!!

Highsec would be ripped apart. How many small Highsec corp can have someone online 24/7. New players would sign off and come back to find nothing. The only ones would would be able to protect anything would be the large alliances.

Your plan is just evil. Twisted

Highsec? New players are losing things how? Their NPC station got exploded?


Also, do you think goons like shooting structures? It's only a few ~deviants~ like dabigredboat. And Lyris Nairn Chronicles of Narnia, Sky Captain of ~our hearts~ tales of tomorrow's goonfleet dot com

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#349 - 2013-08-30 06:10:30 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
...I want to blow your lame POCO's up without being required to wait for 24 hours and have a blob waiting because they got warned...
I understand you want the game changed to make easier for you. That is clear. That isn't going to happen.

If you really want to play the POCO game, us hit and run tactics. If a blob shows up... you don't. Hit somewhere else.
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#350 - 2013-08-30 06:13:20 UTC
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
...I want to blow your lame POCO's up without being required to wait for 24 hours and have a blob waiting because they got warned...
I understand you want the game changed to make easier for you. That is clear. That isn't going to happen.

If you really want to play the POCO game, us hit and run tactics. If a blob shows up... you don't. Hit somewhere else.


It's not even that he wants the game to be easier. He wants the ability to damage large nullsec alliances with zero risk to himself (and with zero effort on his part).

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#351 - 2013-08-30 06:13:51 UTC
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
...I want to blow your lame POCO's up without being required to wait for 24 hours and have a blob waiting because they got warned...
I understand you want the game changed to make easier for you. That is clear. That isn't going to happen.

If you really want to play the POCO game, us hit and run tactics. If a blob shows up... you don't. Hit somewhere else.

Boat would love just sitting in lowsec and burning down every single player-owned structure, really.

You should fear the possibilities of letting such a truffler anywhere near a vulnerable structure.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#352 - 2013-08-30 06:14:24 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
...I want to blow your lame POCO's up without being required to wait for 24 hours and have a blob waiting because they got warned...
I understand you want the game changed to make easier for you. That is clear. That isn't going to happen.

If you really want to play the POCO game, us hit and run tactics. If a blob shows up... you don't. Hit somewhere else.


It's not even that he wants the game to be easier. He wants the ability to damage large nullsec alliances with zero risk to himself (and with zero effort on his part).

Can't he take a leaf from Harry Forever and kill some cyno ships and T1 industrials?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#353 - 2013-08-30 06:17:23 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Highsec? New players are losing things how? Their NPC station got exploded?
If the rules are to be changed so that one must have their goods protected at all times, then everything and everyone is vulnerable. Doesn't that mean every Corp would face the same problem? Small Corps, individual players, and the new would be particularly vulnerable.

Think of the game play! In highsec you scan down a player POS, hack the code, and steal everything... maybe even the POS! Follow a mission runner home in his blingly ship, then break into his hanger and steal it!!!

You need someone (player) watching you stuff 24/7.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#354 - 2013-08-30 06:19:10 UTC
NPC corps are our 100% watchful gods.

Like CONCORD, who will waste you if you try.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#355 - 2013-08-30 06:27:43 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
NPC corps are our 100% watchful gods.

Like CONCORD, who will waste you if you try.
To quote: "That's ludicrous imbalanced."

"If you're too unorganized or short sighted to figure out how to protect your space empire AT ALL TIMES, then you shouldn't have one."

It is interesting to see so many support nerfing NPC Corps/Concord and wanting to take responsibility for their personal Empires. Now personally, I think their ideas are very bad, but I am will to see it tried.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#356 - 2013-08-30 06:30:18 UTC
The NPCs are the ones protecting their space empire.

They just seem to let anyone dock there and use their facilities for nearly nothing.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#357 - 2013-08-30 06:37:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Rhes wrote:

It's not even that he wants the game to be easier. He wants the ability to damage large nullsec alliances with zero risk to himself (and with zero effort on his part).

Can't he take a leaf from Harry Forever and kill some cyno ships and T1 industrials?
Altception!!!!

Infinity Ziona IS Harry Forever

*For Harry, Forever turned out to be until his current sub expires*

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#358 - 2013-08-30 06:44:37 UTC
What's next in the trend?

Limitless?

Unending?

Boundless?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#359 - 2013-08-30 06:59:27 UTC
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
...I want to blow your lame POCO's up without being required to wait for 24 hours and have a blob waiting because they got warned...
I understand you want the game changed to make easier for you. That is clear. That isn't going to happen.

If you really want to play the POCO game, us hit and run tactics. If a blob shows up... you don't. Hit somewhere else.



I play EvE on hard mode. I don't use jump clones. I use full sets of implants in PvP. I don't use booster alts. I jump 100 jumps to get to my hunting grounds dodging your lame blob camps. I solo exclusively. I using billion isk Proteus killing nullbears in hubs with 5 to 20 reds in local.

Don't give me I want easy mode while you nullbears sit in blobs, too scared to do anything without remote rep, remote sebo, remote hand holding gayness... and 100 friends. Sheep do that you know, they congregate in groups because their chance of survival is higher, alone they're dead.

I'm not a great PvP'r, I'm a high sec pubbie but at my 32 kills 2 losses fighting nullseccers you guys truly are terrible from what I've seen. All I have to do is AFK cloak in one of your systems and its empty in a few hours, why? Fear.







CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#360 - 2013-08-30 07:40:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
...I want to blow your lame POCO's up without being required to wait for 24 hours and have a blob waiting because they got warned...
I understand you want the game changed to make easier for you. That is clear. That isn't going to happen.

If you really want to play the POCO game, us hit and run tactics. If a blob shows up... you don't. Hit somewhere else.




it will change, and it will attract players not just grannys

your secure mechanics are from the 80's, no modern player wants that ****

go watch TV there you don't have to move a finger and be safe

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm