Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Shut up and have my babies!

at the very least I think they need a speed bonus on the tractors, compared to the nocits it just doesn't seem like it is worth salvaging at all in a marauder. I create wrecks far faster than I can tractor them, even if they are all in range.

I do understand the point of isk/hour ...

But, by having Marauders supporting frigates, like being able to micro-jump-portal them to the front lines, the SP barrier is broken....

That was the point of my entire suggestion.

CCP WANTS to redefine the Marauders, so your objection that I am turning them into something they are not, and making them more in line with CCP's "Vision" of them .... well, yeah, that's exactly what I am trying to support.

Allow frigate pilots and Marauders to have awesome synergy in hit and run raiding / marauding operations.

What is so wrong with this?

Frigates that can be pushed out instantly 200km away in the middle of an incursion fleet would be STUPID awesome. The PVP ramifications are INCREDIBLE.

Tournaments would be VERY awesome ....

New players would be able to participate with MUCH lower SP.

It would be a beautiful world.

"Rebalancing" isn't just about ships, it is also about "Roles" .... and the "Role" of the frigate pilot could be substantially increased if Marauders were used to support them in "Marauding" tactics.

Probably because of how powerful the Vargur resists are, especially with Bastion.

2 CN Invuls, a DC2, T2 EM Resist rig, and Bastion gives you EM: 84.8% Thermal: 81.95% Kinetic: 84.5% Explosive 87.1%. Combine that with shield boosts and the Vargur is going to be ridiculously hard to kill.



Overpowered is not good for any aspect of the game, even PvE. Plus what you're talking about may be countered by ECM but is completely over-powered in all other respects and is far from useless in PvP as a whole.



You're not being creative enough. I've already been talking with incursion and WH people both of whom are thinking this has a lot of potential for both areas. The massive local tank means the ship can likely be used in at least Vanguard Incursions even without Logi support. The same applies to C4 wormholes if you're willing to take the risk of being caught with your Bastion up. If you have any sort of backup though this isn't much of a problem, ditto for lower end Null sites.

CCP's handy balancing chart says that it's more likely Pirate Battleships will end up being higher damage T1 ships but without the T2 resists and may lose some of their utility in the mix.

More specifically I wouldn't expect these to be PvP focused T2 Battleships, that's what the Black-Ops will likely turn into (at least in part) when they get revamped and split into two different ships.

What does your suggestion do that I can't already do outside of Incursions with a cloaky frigate and probes?

In incursions why would I bring a mob of frigates over a couple of long-range fit Battleships? Per ship they're not going to deal more damage, they die faster, and besides which very little spawns out that far anyway.

Never mind that the SP requirements for a T2 tanked Battleship and a T2 tanked Assault Frigate aren't that far apart since the AFs take a lot better fitting skills to fit effectively.

This falls under the heading of "cool concept in theory that completely breaks down when it's introduced to reality". Making ISK in this game is supposed to take a bit of SP and making the best ISK requires investing a good amount of ISK and time and effort into it, hence Incursions.

Also, just a side note, Eve Uni still runs incursions with fairly low SP pilots that the "elite" groups won't take.

*evil grin* absolutely not! shame on you.

I do wonder if this could be usable in a wh?

I though everyone got used to obvious : That Minmatar ships must be most versatile, fastest , most agile along with lowest signatue ... why ? Because we are Minmatars. What price we pay for this advantage ? We don't we are minmatars.

It may sound like sarcasm , but actually i'm starting to live with it :<. I always though for some advantage there must be drawback but Minnies and gallente also are exception. Just advantages.

Tho this balance pass is surprisingly good. Paladin cap will be retardely insane. So for first time i must say amarr ship will get it's own advantage.

I will say even more i'm pleased with overral approach in this topic : Amarr GOT something NOONE got. Yeah i still don't believe i say this. Usually other factions get amarr stuff as free bonus .

To answer the questions why I believe Marauders, (and what CCP has already stated), should be optimized for Hit and Run Raider/Marauder tactics: In short, create frigate synergy with Marauders. This accomplishes CCP's goal in nearly every way, AND fulfills a LOT of CCP's other goals. Remove the tank bonuses of siege mode altogether--this contradicts the "hit and run" philosophy. Make getting into and out of Siege mode faster. Make transitioning a disruptable action. Siege mode should give DPS and Range, or Tracking Bonuses, Explosion Radius bonuses, Falloff, etc. "Hit AND RUN" = Harassment Marauder.

Give Marauders short range Micro-Jump-Portal Generators, with Cyno Painters, to get Frigates/Destroyers to the front lines instantly, or give them Frigate/Destroyer MWD Fleet Bonuses --- ANYTHING to get frigates engaged with battleships without being vaporized in the process, (an MWD Sig Reduction Fleet bonus perhaps. but that would make cruisers have a decided disadvantage over frigates.)



Frigates wouldn't die faster in Incursions if they got to the front lines instantaneously. Besides, the concept is to increase the "depth" of Eve Online, to utilize more fleet tactics, to try to get every role engaged if possible. Where there are frigates, there can be destroyers, where there are destroyers, cruisers, etc.

Electronic Attack Frigates in incursions, faction warfare, and massive null sec fights would be really fun. But, more to my original point: Marauders having awesome synergy with frigates would incentivize null sec corps to bring a LOT more frigates to their conflicts!




1. Acceleration gates are often problematic for probes in both faction warfare plexes, and incursions. Warping to targets on the other side is well, difficult(?) :p , which makes buzzards, et al, very difficult to use in this cotext.

2. Probing down targets in an incursion is time dependent, whereas a jump-portal-generator and painter are /tactical/ solutions that can be used for on-grid targets that don't need to be probed down.





Wha??? I wish that were true! But why narrow this down to assault frigates? I was actually thinking Electronic Warfare Frigates, tbh. frigate on frigate/destroyer/cruiser logistics, Interdictors, destroyers, etc.

When I started playing Eve, I NEVER wanted to fly battleships, /perhaps/ a command ship.... But All I wanted was to be an awesome frigate pilot.

... Until I found out I /had/ to specialize in battleships for Level IV missions to make enough ISK to pay for my addiction to getting blown up in my frigates. :)


As a frigate pilot, I want /way/ more opportunities for employment... I want there to be a a GOOD reason to bring frigates to a massive battleship, and especially capital ship fights.... Marauders with synergy bonuses with frigates accomplish this! This adds a great depth to game mechanics in pretty much every area of the game. (Okay, perhaps not mining, or exploration, or shipping, or ..) :p



This is /complete/ crap.

ISK acquisition in Eve, (explicitly stated /many/ times by CCP, and others), is about the cooperation and exploitation of allies. This is how brand new pilots can actually make decent ISK in faction warfare. "Join a corp to make ISK! But trust no one!"


NONE of my recommendations about the new Marauders having Synergy with Frigates to have awesome hit and run mechanics in Eve had ANYTHING to do with making ISK. It was just to make the game /funner/ to play, and more ENJOYABLE for new players.

(Not everyone plays for the ISK.)

A "Siege Mode" Marauder is self-contradicting to the idea of "Harassment and Raiding and Marauding" if that Siege mode gives bonuses to Tank, but not so much to DPS and Range.

Rise Paladins! Our Capacitor will blot out the SUN!

Because the skill requirement to fly these ships maybe?