EVE General Discussion

So a bit of $$$ statistic about WiS prototype published in SC today:

- amount of pledges per day raised from $71k to $124k (+70%)
- amount of pledges per hour raised from $4900 to $18100 (+250%) when it was published, $17.5k next hour

Roberts is making money on functionality rejected by CCP - $50k in a single day. And that's just a prototype published few hours ago without customization, female toons, common halls.

Probably lots of them are EVE players. You know, the silent lurkers that make up the majority of the playerbase.

Stop posting this garbage.
Nobody is asking CCP to kill the game. The only reason Incarna "almost killed" the game is that shitstorm caused by their "greed is good" leak, and overall Incarna content delivery.
But if they did it right it would be just fine and maybe we'd be sitting in bars right now, playing cards or pool while chugging Quafes and tossing ISK at exotic dancers.

That would bring so many more players in(fresh meat for veterans) and would actually turned into profits for CCP - instead of them having to cut down on the crew size.

But now we have players like you who get paralyzed in fear of any innovation or anything new brought into the game. You are one of those who is going to intentionally kill this game.

That was just the match that lit the flame. The fuel for the fire was the two years of wasted development time spent on WiS nonsense.

You're welcome.

Blocking: the last bastion of the person who lost the argument.

I have to agree in a way, I don't block people that disagree with me... that's way too easy and I might miss any good points they might actually have.

I usually enjoy your posts, but I do wish your stance on this wasn't so over the top.

We all know what happened, and why. Very little of it had to do with the idea of avatar based game play. A fair amount of it had to do with very poor development and initial release decisions. The bulk of it had to do with other soap opera crap, and our local forum trolls manipulating the weak minded.

The concept is sound... very sound in fact. Some of the most promising games on the horizon are very similar to what Incarna was originally conceived to be, although truthfully even the best of them fall short of what Incarna should have been... could easily have been.

The problem is that EVE was originally designed to let a player do everything they needed to without an avatar (as that was beyond their abilities at first). That capability is not something you can just take away from people once they have it. No, for avatar use to make sense it would have to be based around entirely new mechanics in the game... and that was where the concept fell short. Developing a while set of game mechanics, while not necessarily a bad idea, involves a tremendous amount of thought, planning, and development time. All of that on top of a core technology that already ate up huge amounts of both time and money to develop.

If nothing else EVE Valkyrie might prove to be an ideal vehicle to blend Avatar's and fast paced star ship combat, although I doubt that will happen.

Now, although EVE is still an industry leader and innovator in many ways, in this aspect EVE is going to fall behind the curve. Other companies are picking up CCP's dropped ball and are running with it.

The only decision that CCP made that was worse than developing Incarna in the way that they did, and releasing it to us in that initial form, was taking a hands off attitude with it afterwards. That withdrawal is what truly makes all of the time and money spent a waste.

When Star Citizen proves that the concept of a blend of Avatar and Spaceship game play can work well if approached properly, I hope that many people that currently deride the concept as hopeless will give the matter a rethink.

Ahhh, nevermind. I thought you were actually trying to be taken seriously in your stance towards Incarna.

Obviously I was mistaken.

Nope. I'm 100% serious about not wanting CCP to make the same mistake that almost killed the game two years ago.

the problem with wis is that some people think that second life freakshow, a bunch of dudes emoting each other in a player-run "bar" is acceptable as sound game play.