Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You guys must remember they are also promoting the use of the Micro Jump Drive. Zap, you are now 100km closer to those wrecks. They do need to boost the range to over 50km, so you can reach all wreck inbetween your piont of origination, and current. With only a 48km range, you're missing 4km worth of wrecks.....

I really wish MJD had a more variable jump range.

Like, just let me choose between 50km and 100km.... please? Most gates are 50km or less away... and 50km just became a looooong burn in these ships.

about the bastion thingiechangewhatever skill, considering dreadnought siege skills are 8x, i think 6x or 7x would be more suitable to a battleship related skill.

I found a REALLY big possible exploit with this new mod already as a 3x x-l ASB will have a tank that I believe will be way to OP as a maelstrom fit similarly w/ boosts and crystals can tank the same as an un-triaged carrior so with the added effect of the bastion module I believe that it will be to much tank to be allowed on a sub cap so I say make ASB's be un-effected by the bastion mod

If you actually intend to do this and sincerely want this to be a stepping stone to ships like the Dreadnought then I strongly suggest you tie it to the Tactical Weaons Reconiguration skill the dread pilot uses to this "bastion" thingy so there is some uniformity in your skill tree ideology.

(Uniformity in various parts of the Eve world tends to get neglected in spite of CCP's best intentions towards maintaining it. It's vast, your Eve only dev crew is small-ish, most of us understand that.)

The logic behind making it this way is, if CCP does intend this to be a mid point between sub-cap and capital, it would allow current dread pilots to make use of the new marauder features without adding any new and unnecessary skill point baggage. New aspiring dread/marauder can keep their skill chart planning organized without any additional distractions.

(Dreads are a 200+ day plan for a new guy anyway..)

Side note: Please look into giving missile marauders something like one more bonus such as Explosion velocity reduction bonus durion "Bastion" mode.

10 effective turrets... would be awesome.

The problem I see with it is they would be tempted to apply some sort of drawback to compensate, like a tracking debuff. That would be a no-go in missions. Hence why I think they chose to just buff projection.

Something that WOULD help DPS in bastion, without being massively OP to the point it needed a debuff, would be a tracking/exp velocity boost. That would tie in better with the "projection" theme without putting 1800 DPS boats on the table.

Part of me feels like this whole thing is gunna get nerfed so fast but i'm hoping to enjoy it while it lasts.


BASTION TRANSFORMERTHINGIE™ SKILL(name not final)

please dont change the name lol..

Overall I'm intrigued by the changes. I'm more of general idea person rather than a specific numbers based guy so this is my opinion thus far:

• Screw the whole bastion thing. It's unnecessary and if you are trying to make marauders a stepping stone to dreads, why give them a completely unrelated skill. That seems totally counter intuitive and counterproductive. They should just make a new type of siege module specifically for marauders that have a lower training time than the maybe the standard siege mod, but still linked to the same skill.
• If you keep the Bastion Blah Blah Skill (or tie it into the siege skill), then change the bonus for Marauders. Having a skill that reduces Siege time is a bad idea in terms of fleet management. Especially if these are meant to be dread step-stones, then there is a good chance that people won't have perfect skills for them. Because of that and the way the skill is proposed to work, there is a high chance of people who have different Bastion(siege) timers than others. In terms of fleet management, having people with longer or shorter timers could be potentially headache inducing. Maybe change the bonus to increased tank in bastion mode, or reduced ammo consumption somehow?

I think that Dreds would chew these things up, precisely because of the stationary thing being susceptible to BLAP. But they are going to be the default Sniper boat, methinks.

When I first saw this post I'll admit I was a little horrified, but I told myself I'd give it a couple of hours before I post anything. As time goes by I feel somewhat more acceptance to the idea. Some thoughts on the new bastion module and changes to the marauder hulls.

The bastion module is an interesting idea, and I like how ccp is trying something new by providing a way that people can hunker down in certain situations. Deciding to use the module in pvp situations is going to be a big decision though, because you're essentially forfeiting your ability to escape from a fight should the balance of it change sometime as it plays out. Its a big commitment, and a big drawback to the design, and it should be balanced with a powerful set of advantages. I hope that the omission of a sig rad bonus to large missiles was an oversight, though, it would be nice to see some equivalent feature for missile users.

As for the hulls themselves, I like the changes to powergrid, but I feel like the inclusion of another unbonused high slot isn't really necessary. My personal feeling is that the bonus to tractor beams should be removed completely. Marauders are never going to be as effective as a noctis. Putting that highslot back into lows or mids would be a much better choice, as players using a marauder for pvp are going to find that theres going to be a lot of pressure to fit cap booster etc. Leaving two free will let player use smarbombs, nosferatus, neuts, proble launchers, cloak etc just fine.

Also, marauders are already very light in terms of EHP. Reducing it even further is probably not the best choice. As it stands they're already very vulnerable to tornado camps in highsec. Compared to the tens of thousands of ehp these ships would be able to generate over the course of a fight where the dps incoming was at or less than the level of their tanks, a slightly stronger base ehp would be insignificant, and in a fleet fight it wouldn't do anything to improve their survivability against being primaried. What it would do is to balance out the profit threshold of a tornado camp somewhat, and give players coming out of a station who are being targeted precious seconds to decide what to do.

Summing it up, I think its a good start, but theres a lot of work left to be done to get it right, and achieving a balance ship that people are going to want to use is going to be tough.

Edit: Idk Im feeling a little wishy washy about the module. Part of me feels like id rather see a very strong hull with some of the dawbacks of the module, but without having to use it. That would give people a few more options as far as fitting goes, while keeping a ship that feels less like a mobile coffin.