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Flamespar
WarRavens
#1241 - 2013-08-28 05:47:41 UTC
The two previous responses illustrate why CCP will implement more content for avatars.

The best they can come up with is some gibbering nonsense about furries and emoting. Neither of which have anything do do with the suggested prototype.

Dribble on brave retards, dribble on.
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1242 - 2013-08-28 05:51:47 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
The two previous responses illustrate why CCP will implement more content for avatars.

The best they can come up with is some gibbering nonsense about furries and emoting. Neither of which have anything do do with the suggested prototype.

Dribble on brave retards, dribble on.


Actually CCP cares more about the massive drop in subscriptions that occurred right after Incarna than they do about people who want to turn Eve into a second-rate Second Life clone.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise

Flamespar
WarRavens
#1243 - 2013-08-28 06:13:17 UTC
Rhes wrote:

Actually CCP cares more about the massive drop in subscriptions that occurred right after Incarna than they do about people who want to turn Eve into a second-rate Second Life clone.


And if you had an iota of intelligence and honesty you would know that the whole drop in subscriptions came after a number of years of underwhelming expansions and broken promises, for which Incarna with it's macrotransaction store was the final straw.

But please, continue to dribble.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1244 - 2013-08-28 06:51:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Flamespar wrote:
I dunno how I feel about this new EVE: Valkyrie game. Just feels like resources going into another game that isn't EVE.

The should do what Sony has done with the player studio and let players design the stuff for Incarna.


It feels weird to see how even new games are higher in the resource allocation list than old neglected EVE features.

My impression for 2013 being, is that CCP is below the power curve. They can't develop/fix EVE fast enough and are diverting resources elsewhere, which of course won't help EVE but may give CCP some financial room once the actual situation with EVE subscriptions surfaces (IMHO, they're re-selling the game rather than getting actual new subcribers, and guess how many times you can sell the same game to the same people before the bubble pops).

DUST is in "keep spending" mode and there is no hint of wether it will as much as pay itself back, ever.Question

EVE is being kept in support mode (pending to know details on "The Hallellujah Plan").

Old "top dog" features like POS and SOV are on the hold (and then The Hallellujah Plan would not be so much hallelujah if it was just "fix by 2015 what we said we would like to fix by 2013").

WiS has gone full Waiting is Stupid mode.

And of course, there's that little pending question about EVE not having an Executive Producer to undertake the dirty job of "reconciling business and creative needs to create an inspirational product with successful business model (...) lead overall development (...) work closely with publishing and operations activities (...) (be) responsible for the overall success of the title". (Stress mine)

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1245 - 2013-08-28 06:57:07 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
the whole drop in subscriptions came after a number of years of underwhelming expansions and broken promises, for which Incarna with it's macrotransaction store was the final straw..


You are literally arguing my point. CCP wasted two years on roleplaying nonsense and neglected Eve's core gameplay which resulted in them losing a ton of subscriptions. They aren't going to make that mistake again no matter how many furries whine at them.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise

Sivney Quincannon
#1246 - 2013-08-28 07:53:07 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
I've long suspected that CCP are secretly putting in 80% of their resources into non eve projects in order to diversify their income stream, whilst pretending to be busy with ui improvements and ship balancing.

I don't mind this as all businesses need multiple income sources to be healthy but CCP should come out and tell us the truth,that they've started working on something else. I thought wod development was completely cancelled, suddenly it's back on.



Essentially I agree with that. I think CCP has seen the writing on the wall for EVE and are readying themselves for a post-EVE scenario.

I don't know what where the plans for DUST 514, but it looks like a new scion was implanted on an old trunk, and rather than bring new life to the trunk, the scion has been tainted by the old trunk and is drying.

That begs the question, is it worth to keep adding stuff to EVE? Specially when the playerbase opposes everything not related to the old tainted complexity that pevents further development? You want to add a ship, that's four ships actually (1 per faction), and must be balanced against 200+ other ships b/c nobdy wants Supercaps 2. That doesn't helps innovation. And if you try to do something not entangled to spaceship gameplay... you're not welcome. Not at all.

So at the moment, WoD looks a way more promising game than EVE. Of course, I am the happy happy joy joy kind and i seriously doubt CCP can get it right with WoD (hint: it's nice to attract female players, but the kind of testosterone riddled ubercompetitive gameplay sported in EVE won't keep them interested for long). But nonetheless, just by being a new PI and being aimed at a bigger and unexploited niche, WoD is way more promising.

If I was an investor, would look at the bloody mess that it's EVE, the horrendous man-hours wasted just dealing with its nightmareish complexity, and would ask CCP to place my money on WoD. Wouldn't even comment on the price paid to have 3,000 guys online at DUST.

Think of it, there are at last two massive old crap iteration efforts pending: POS and SOV. Compared to the scale of the last expansions, we're dealing with fishing killer whales with the same tools providing us sardines each 6 monrhs. And even by fixing those two isues, CCP would be pleasing less than 10% the playerbase (an improvement over the "lucky 1%" in last expansions), and also would be risking to break the game completely.

There is no room left to innovation, player retention or playerbase increase for the next two years (the same as after Incarna)... unless CCP begins selling another game.


I may not completely agree with everyhing you've stated above, but I certainly agree that CCP should commit the vast majority of their resources on the development of WoD for the near future.

EVE Online may be around for many years to come, but the development of new projects (non-EVE related) will continue to be vital to the company's success over the next several years. It is the only way CCP will be able to compete with the next-generation MMORPG's like Everquest Next and Landmark. Heck, the future of MMORPG's is going to be determined over the next couple of years anyway. This is why we are seeing current project release dates for upcoming titles (ESO and Wildstar) being pushed back to next year or projects being completely reset (Blizzard's Titan) for a multitude of reasons that have plagued MMO's for years. Players are bored and scattered all over the place waiting and hoping that one of these company's will get a bloody clue. I personally hope that CCP can focus their innovated passion on WoD and be THAT company to finally produce a title that the majority of players will be willing to invest their time and money into.
Taiwanistan
#1247 - 2013-08-28 08:54:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Taiwanistan
sorry if people are butthurt that the company places more emphasis on a shooter, in an attempt to grab some of that COD cash money, rather than a bunch of scrub dudes who complain about the aurem but still want to dress up and emote each other.

also i'd rather they start from scratch with good gameplay for WOD, instead of some dogshit second life addon for eve. unless they prove otherwise with a progress update in form of a devblog.

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1248 - 2013-08-28 10:42:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Teinyhr wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
CCP felt compelled to abort Incarna and go into tweak-and-polish mode for a few years. Recall, at the Fanfests after it the mere mention of WiS was enough to inspire booing. Any mention of it on the forums was met with similar negativity.


Oh? I'm pretty sure people cheered quite hard last fanfest when Hilmar asked "if they want to see the door open." And harder when he asked it again. Then stating nonchalantly "maybe next year." And I don't remember fanfest attendees ever booing at WiS related stuff, not even immediately after the fiasco.


LAST fanfest, yes. The one immediately after Incarna? They booed quite loudly. I was there, and I remember thinking "morons" to myself when they did.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Horus V
The Destined
#1249 - 2013-08-28 11:10:17 UTC
Still waiting for WiS here and I dont care what people say and how long it's gonna take. I believe CCP will suprise us all even those biggest haters.

V

raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#1250 - 2013-08-28 18:41:03 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Stitcher wrote:

I don't understand all this pessimism surrounding the idea of having different lenses and modes of access to accommodate different gaming tastes. I mean what's behind that? Do you think it's not going to work, in which case why not? And why has EVE succeeded where any other take on the New Eden sandbox is so "obviously" doomed?

Or are you just jealous about having to share the sandbox with more kids?


I believe much of the pessimism around CCP's latest efforts in expanding the EVE Universe is tied to the fact that they were half baked and poorly delivered, and the human resources/development/marketing choices made around them.

Rhes wrote:
raven666wings wrote:
It's great to see that there are ppl working at CCP that do not think that "EVE is only about spaceships and eleet peeveepee" and are working on avatar gameplay. What a shame that people who could be working on it too and helping it being released earlier got laid off. Its not like CCP is facing economical problems and needs to cut on personnel expense.


After what happened when Incarna was released if there are people at CCP who think EvE should be about anything other than spaceships and the industry that supports them those people should be fired.


Is this the official goons opinion about CCP Bayesian, Unifex, t0rfifrans and their teammates? What next, are you gonna suggest they should suicide too? ... lol betta check yoself before you wreck yoself, cause asking for mercy is bad for yo health http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKJsSPATDLY

Rhes wrote:

Actually CCP cares more about the massive drop in subscriptions that occurred right after Incarna than they do about people who want to turn Eve into a second-rate Second Life clone.


CCP should care about people unsubbing when they actually buy PLEX and support the game, not when moon farming crybaby herds throw tantrums. Btw send my regards to Lord Mittler and tell him maybe he should get some puppies not infected with rabies, that stuff's dangerous and contagious brah.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1251 - 2013-08-28 19:37:56 UTC
I have given up the hope to ever see WIS ,or EIS as some people say lately.
But it is funny to see ,that nobody is whining about the failure DUST is and the fact that DEV,s are going to be taken away from EvE in favor for a new spaceshooter.
And when it comes to a tiny Devteam ,working on WIS ,an EvE related feature the Goons are on fire.
I don,,t think Dust did not had a very small team especially in the last year.
Valkerie will be the same ,i guess.


But hey ,WIS is not coming ,So that Mittens guy and his Goons can go to sleep ,with no worries and dream about the next big ship.

R.S.I2014

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1252 - 2013-08-28 20:59:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
I have given up the hope to ever see WIS ,or EIS as some people say lately.
But it is funny to see ,that nobody is whining about the failure DUST is and the fact that DEV,s are going to be taken away from EvE in favor for a new spaceshooter.
And when it comes to a tiny Devteam ,working on WIS ,an EvE related feature the Goons are on fire.
I don,,t think Dust did not had a very small team especially in the last year.
Valkerie will be the same ,i guess.


But hey ,WIS is not coming ,So that Mittens guy and his Goons can go to sleep ,with no worries and dream about the next big ship.



Hi old, nice to see you're still around! I too have given up hope to get Waiting is Stupid developed. I'm running my own "social club" thread and keep mining and running missions as before Incarna. CCP not doing WiS, I'm not thinking, just poking CCP.

DUST... I don't care. I would cry tears of blood if I had to care about all that effort and what it has delivered.
Valkirie... funny, very funny. FiSers are actually thrilled to get reheated porridge for EVE and a new unrelated game for their sub money. Some are really easy to be outsmarted by CCP.

In the short term, I am waiting for CCP to annnounce their new development plan (I call it "The Hallellujah Plan", provided how Malcanis seems to think it will be good & worth it) so I can bash it as needed. It would be better for everyone if I could hope about the new plan, but CCP completely emptied the hope account, and are doing zill to refill it.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1253 - 2013-08-28 21:10:08 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
But hey ,WIS is not coming ,So that Mittens guy and his Goons can go to sleep ,with no worries and dream about the next big ship.


Well that is a relief

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise

oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1254 - 2013-08-28 21:29:25 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:


Hi old, nice to see you're still around!



For some strange reason i am used to be called Old butt ,but only Old is fine

So its waiting for a new game then ,developed for a device not yet on the market .
Ooh well the ways of these Forums are very strange.

R.S.I2014

Flamespar
WarRavens
#1255 - 2013-08-29 01:18:16 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
I have given up the hope to ever see WIS ,or EIS as some people say lately.
But it is funny to see ,that nobody is whining about the failure DUST is and the fact that DEV,s are going to be taken away from EvE in favor for a new spaceshooter.
And when it comes to a tiny Devteam ,working on WIS ,an EvE related feature the Goons are on fire.
I don,,t think Dust did not had a very small team especially in the last year.
Valkerie will be the same ,i guess.


But hey ,WIS is not coming ,So that Mittens guy and his Goons can go to sleep ,with no worries and dream about the next big ship.



Yeah I find it odd too. CCP have three other projects at which they are throwing money, but it's avatars that will kill EVE?

Yeah right.
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1256 - 2013-08-29 01:42:32 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
CCP should care about people unsubbing when they actually buy PLEX and support the game, not when moon farming crybaby herds throw tantrums. Btw send my regards to Lord Mittler and tell him maybe he should get some puppies not infected with rabies, that stuff's dangerous and contagious brah.


What is your fursona?

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1257 - 2013-08-29 06:43:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Flamespar wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
I have given up the hope to ever see WIS ,or EIS as some people say lately.
But it is funny to see ,that nobody is whining about the failure DUST is and the fact that DEV,s are going to be taken away from EvE in favor for a new spaceshooter.
And when it comes to a tiny Devteam ,working on WIS ,an EvE related feature the Goons are on fire.
I don,,t think Dust did not had a very small team especially in the last year.
Valkerie will be the same ,i guess.


But hey ,WIS is not coming ,So that Mittens guy and his Goons can go to sleep ,with no worries and dream about the next big ship.



Yeah I find it odd too. CCP have three other projects at which they are throwing money, but it's avatars that will kill EVE?

Yeah right.


That's called demography control, you focus on a population and please it as the rest leave the game. The customers you don't have, are not your business, literally. Want WiS? Hit the door. Want new stuff? Hit the door. Want the same old porridge, reheated over and over and served in biannual "iterations"? Kiss our sweet ass! Are you OK we spend your money not in your game but elsewhere? Here's our bank account!

The customers CCP doesn't have, they are not their business. And the more EVE players buy exactly what CCP delivers for EVE, the less trouble they'll have & the more they can focus on more promising business venues... or else.

Anyway I won't buy that Valkyrie will be OR only until CCP forces me to believe they're willing to go stupid and beyond...

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Taiwanistan
#1258 - 2013-08-29 06:51:40 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
I have given up the hope to ever see WIS ,or EIS as some people say lately.
But it is funny to see ,that nobody is whining about the failure DUST is and the fact that DEV,s are going to be taken away from EvE in favor for a new spaceshooter.
And when it comes to a tiny Devteam ,working on WIS ,an EvE related feature the Goons are on fire.
I don,,t think Dust did not had a very small team especially in the last year.
Valkerie will be the same ,i guess.


But hey ,WIS is not coming ,So that Mittens guy and his Goons can go to sleep ,with no worries and dream about the next big ship.



Yeah I find it odd too. CCP have three other projects at which they are throwing money, but it's avatars that will kill EVE?

Yeah right.


That's called demography control, you focus on a population and please it as the rest leave the game. The customers you don't have, are not your business, literally. Want WiS? Hit the door. Want new stuff? Hit the door. Want the same old porridge, reheated over and over and served in biannual "iterations"? Kiss our sweet ass! Are you OK we spend your money not in your game but elsewhere? Here's our bank account!

The customers CCP doesn't have, they are not their business. And the more EVE players buy exactly what CCP delivers for EVE, the less trouble they'll have & the more they can focus on more promising business venues... or else.

Anyway I won't buy that Valkyrie will be OR only until CCP forces me to believe they're willing to go stupid and beyond...

hey can you stop that battered spouse syndrome crap? and just hit the door already? why are you still paying for a sub or grinding plexes, get a clue, eve's been dying for 10 years,

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."

Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1259 - 2013-08-29 10:55:07 UTC
The focus on ships is great but really, CCP are just doing what they should have done years ago. After the balancing is done, eve will still have to same old tired gameplay devoid of imagination and excitement.

If avatar gameplay was added to what we have now (or will have in the near future) eve could be one of the best games on the market... But that will not happen because CCP are either too scared of taking a risk with eve or are grossly incompetent when is comes to game design theory (see Dust 514, captains quarter and nex store)
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#1260 - 2013-08-29 14:07:10 UTC
Rhes wrote:

What is your fursona?


brah, you should consider to stop whining like spoiled brats, HTFU and disengage in such ridiculous and vomit-inducing activities like shooting statues, burn Jitas and other attention seeking activities.

Taiwanistan wrote:

hey can you stop that battered spouse syndrome crap? and just hit the door already? why are you still paying for a sub or grinding plexes, get a clue, eve's been dying for 10 years,


being mean to the lady bic boi? come at me brah, im right here! want some of this bic boi?
somehow ur the one who strikes me as a wife batterer, if you had any in the first place, which is highly unlikely given the obvious sperg and fear you've been showing towards women. what's this fear that players from other games such as WoW and Second Life would come play EVE about? Are you that afraid that they beat you at it and banalized your sad existance? or just hate women in general?