Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I believe local should be controlled by the sovereign alliance holder. Any resource in their boarders should be a privilege and not a right. If you don't like their settings on local or if you don't have the right standings... Take it from them.

So much chit chat on how local should be used... And I'm not discrediting what anyone has said, there are some great arguments, but I think settling it how all eve conflicts should end is best... PEW PEW BOOM!!!!!!!

It's not very solo player freindly, solo operaters uninsterested would be relegated to live in 0.5 -1.0 for the rest of their lives.

It would promote ganking and favour the PvP'ers. Not Everyone plays this game to get blown up.

not everyone is in a corp/alliance with friends, the MMO needs to support the solo player as well as the mass. Sometimes that little chat window in the Bottom Left is the only communication some people get with their old freinds.

I see why some don't want it, but I expect alot of people would just lose interest in playing, and in a game that needs More FRESH subscribers (not alts etc..) the game should be made more new player freindly not an even steeper learning curve.

on a slightly supportive note : ...If Local chat went, I'd at least expect a Ticker that tells you how many people in system when you jump in (so you don't know who they are just they are there.) , and real time gate activity tracking from the map.

How about we reduce local to being just a chat channel?

I get that worm holes do not have local.
The argument that those wanting to remove local should move into a wh, falls flat due to the other differences between the two play areas.

I also acknowledge these differences make wormholes unique. This does not, however, mean that the delayed local mechanic can only work in this environment. It just means wormholes have multiple mechanics designed to isolate them and limit them to what can happen inside.

This is why I advocate a partial change to local as follows:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2369739#post2369739

That thread with this one would work together to restore value to player driven intel, and offer PvE pilots like me a new way to actually compete with each other.

And I specified two extreme areas of the game, between which low sec has elements of both.

Now, regarding this thread, it has nothing to do with advocating the removal of local.
It points out what changes could happen AFTER local was either removed, or at the very least no longer displayed cloaked pilots.

I reference a thread that DOES advocate a change to local, however:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2369739#post2369739

And, just for your reference about local:
Here is something that is difficult for many to grasp, but is an important detail that those hunting will not have an advantage because of local being missing.

The advantage will always belong to whoever has sov, simply because the intel channels and patrols supplying them will be a huge advantage.

Those hunting in hostile territory will be on their own, and with no local to artificially tell them where everyone is, chances are they will have no idea.
They can, of course, guess, or do research to learn where people usually hang out, but unless someone spies for them and tips them where to look, they will be effectively blind.

Local is never the friend of PvE. PvE has a far more obvious advantage trading it in for an intel channel while the hunters are blind.

BWahahahahaha... because the hunting ships are all psychic, and mysteriously just "know" when you are in the system with them....

go on, tell me another... LOL

As a Cov-Ops Pilot I support Nikk Narrel's idea and I don't think I've ever given so many likes to so few people for so few ideas but this is an awesome idea IF Local was removed.

Well played Sir, well played. Also see the other side to this coin from Nikk: Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence

Cloaked ships can be detected by your Directional scanner once they are inside x distance (10% of current scan range, 1 AU, 2 AU, 500m KM, or whatever, maybe even 1000km). They cannot be seen or targetted, but they do appear on your Scan. This way you CAN detect cloaked ships without local, but not until they are almost on top of you. Could be cool.

+1 for removing local. Would make the game nuts

Actually, this thread is specific to a change only balanced AFTER local is removed.

It presumes the current version of local to no longer exist.

This thread is about a method to hunt cloaked vessels, which as just pointed out, is only balanced AFTER the current version of local is ended.

IF you are looking to see a thread explaining the way I recommend to change local, I would click here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2369739#post2369739

My biggest issue with this is that you say PvP against cloakers requires intel.....no, it doesn't. You can just activate your anti-cloak system and check every system you fly through hoping to hit something. You don't need to know there's a cloaky there ahead of time.

if local does get removed, i would think that intel gathering in general needs to be boosted as well to compensate. possible ways to improve d-scan, modules for getting an idea of who's in station (like cargo scanners).

and if local is removed their should be a way to find cloaked vessels, yes, but i think that being able to decloak any single target on grid is a bit much. i wouldn't mind something that allows you to see them, but the module needs to be limited to a closer range, and possibly work similar to jams with a % chance of successfully decloaking them.

Don't touch gate-cloaks. those are working as intended.