Science & Industry

Greetings miners and interested third parties.

We had to push one of our planned mining changes out from Odyssey 1.0 due to time constraints, but fortunately we have been able to get it ready now for Odyssey 1.1.

After Odyssey 1.1 the ore sites spawned by the Ore Prospecting Array upgrade will be higher quality in better truesec space.
We're also making some changes to the base OPA sites.

Changes for all truesec levels to adjust mineral supply and relative value between sites:

Large Asteroid Cluster:
Convert both Scordite asteroids to Plagioclase (300,000 units)

Enormous Asteroid Cluser (formerly known as Extra Large Asteroid Cluser):
Convert all 12 Omber asteroids to Hedbergite (500,000 units)

Colossal Asteroid Cluser (formerly known as Giant Asteroid Cluser):
Convert all 6 Pyroxeres asteroids to Hemorphite (480,000 units)

Changes based on truesec:

For systems with truesec between -0.0 and -0.44:
No change

For systems with truesec between -0.45 and -0.84:
All ores in the Large, Enormous (formerly X-Large), and Collosal (formerly Giant) clusters will be the +5% upgraded variants

For systems with truesec between -0.85 and -1.0:
All ores in the Large, Enormous (formerly X-Large), and Collosal (formerly Giant) clusters will be the +10% upgraded variants

:PSA about oddities immediately post-patch:
For the first day or so after 1.1 releases there may be some odd behavior with the ore upgrade amoms (most common symptom is both the old and new types of belts appearing in the system at the same time). This should go away in a few days at most, and should in almost all cases be gone by the second downtime after the patch.

Not empty quoting

In addition to what is said above, Pyerite is on the edge of not being enough, but to remove a large component of Pyerite (Scordite) to make more Mex (Plagio) isn't going to cut it.

Maybe doubling the amount of Mex from Plagio or Gneiss would help

Basically we need ALOT of help for Mex, but NOT at the expense of Pyerite

To illustrate my point here is a screen grab of a spreadsheet created by my supercap production corp based on the odyssey nullsec belt changes updated with the changes you intend to make in Odessey 1.1.

http://i.imgur.com/KFyIQD8.png

It's a little crude but it clearly shows that the mineral ratios for building a BS hull, Supercarrier or Titan are broadly the same. The racial biases over a large varied production run average out to be inconsequential.

If we focus on any of the sample builds it is very quickly obvious that the number of times you need to mine any belt to produce the required mex is an order of magnitude more than to produce any other required mineral volume. It is obviously desirable for there to be an excess of high ends to be shipped back to highsec and they have a value/volume ratio which encourages that. Transporting raw Mex on the other hand is totally prohibitive. It simply isn't economical to jump freighter mex 2 or 3 jumps into nullsec.

Are we to assume that you want us to eat the wasted low ends as a cost of doing business in null? Using the Nyx as an example by the most efficient combination of belt cycling you would be trashing 500,000,000 Trit per Nyx constructed. That is over half the trit needed to make another Nyx. It cannot be built into anything or reasonably compressed without mex so trashed is not an exaggeration.

I hope this clearly illustrates the point and you take another look at either the refine ratios or the asteroid ratios in the anomalies in null.

Posting in support of the other posts above. You guys are fiddling with ratios in a way that is going to do nothing to improve nullsec industry. Do you guys clearly understand the problem and is this the first small change in a huge list of changes, or are you swinging blind here?

So ok I like this cause it benefits me but this doesnt solve the problem that odessey made for mining in null. As it stands a cyno ship can warp to an ore site from gate witg no probes. And anyone that flys a barge will tell you they go slow. Make the ore sites scan down items that require probes. Then you will see alot more mining in null.

The primary goal for the swapping of one ore type to another in this pass is to balance out the isk/hr for the three site types a bit. I did choose to up mex by a small amount at the same time, but that was a secondary thing.

Like I said before, we haven't ruled out adjusting the mineral ratios more significantly but we're also not committed to the idea that any one area of space needs to be completely independent from others. Importing Mex is still a lot easier than importing all the low-ends before Odyssey, and you'll need to import a little less of it now. We may make more significant changes later, but we're still observing.

No, it's not. Nothing compresses mex. You can import compressed minerals in a broad ratio that is mostly useful for battleship or above building, then make up the deficencies (usually highends) locally or by importing raws. It is cost-prohibitive to import raw mex if you have the rest of your minerals, and nothing compresses it.

Also just to clear up a mistake people often make trying to compress mex: all the mods you can try to use don't actually compress the mex. They just give you some free low-ends: you're not getting any more mex than you'd get jumping in raws.

Ccp fozzie anything on making grav sites something you have to scan down? Just saying that will make null sec mining much more desirable.