Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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(if you werent in sc id call you bad names now)



(edit, and no dualprop is not the wa yto go, but its a valid option)

Much better, but there's a typo in the OP- Ishtar has one slot less than the others.

You need dualprop to sigtank some and to kill frigates that have you scrammed, both can be dont in other ways.

To be honest, the vagabond looks like a very lackluster kiter in the face of the new cerberus and rail deimos, which both have vastly superior projection without giving up much in the way of mobility when fit appropriately. It really needs a substantial increase in PG in order to be able to fit 425s and a proper tank if it's supposed to be a capable solo/small-gang ship. XLASB brawling setups are a lot less effective now that their novelty has passed, and they can't stand up to more conventional brawlers in a point blank slugfest, so they're kind of reduced to gimmicky ships for running down things like lone Tier 3s and faction cruisers, which seems like a disappointingly niche role.


edit: actually, on second thought, I hadn't factored in the effect of the improved capacitor. That makes it viable to run an invuln in place of an LSE, which significantly improves the ship and makes it possible to fit 425s. Its projection still seems rather poor, but it's not as bad as I initially thought.

Are you trying to phase out regular Armor Repairers for pvp just like how you did with regular Shield Boosters by replacing them with the ancill kit? Sorry if that sounds a bit accusatory, just something that came in my mind.

I am very, very shocked by the complete disregard to any of the advice given to you on the forums.

Sac: Again, 50% MWD bonus is a waste (you even admit this yourself)
- No damage application bonus. HAM / HML Is useless unless you have hard tackle on a target
- Speed: Still one of the slowest cruisers out there.
- Missile velocity bonus: Again CCP, why do you need increased velocity if they only thing this ship can do is brawl? Really another poor, and barckward choice.
- Needs another low slot.

Zealot:
- No change in its pathetic cap
- Still slow as hell, completely eclipsed by the Nomen
- MWD sig bonus is wasted here again, because most zealots used in fleet are AB

Deimos:
- Its faster which is good, its going to be a nice rail sniper (provided it can mitigate tracking with its speed)

Ishtar:
- Drones suck for PvP so I really have no comment
- Still Slow as hell

Vagabond:
- I am easily the most shocked with this change.
- The fastest cruiser by far
- Still retains the OP shield boost bonus

The reality of the vagabond is that this hull alone will completely shut down solo / small gang vs blob play. Vagas are so fast that it will be difficult to out pace them. They have an amazing tank (when properly fit). Don't even get me started on the application of snakes / crystals / links. A vaga will be able to easily kill just about anything it comes across. It can kite, and easily tank any damage coming from 20+ out, or against T1 cruisers / other HAC's / Pirate / Navy cruisers can simply F1 approach and face **** them.

The vaga is still poor for kiting, because it still only has a 10% falloff range, and is unable to really project damage. The vaga is now easily the king of all the cruisers bar non. Very horrible reasoning / change to the hull.

Muninn:

Again you did nothing to really help / change the muninn along.
- Speed: Still way to slow in the current meta
-Bonuses still lacking for projectile ships

Cerberus: I am amazed at how delusional you are, thinking that the cerbs speed is some how going to allow it to kite.
- Still doesn't have a damage application bonus for HAM / HML With out that, cerb needs to get into hard tackle range, or be forced to fly with a bonused TP ship
- Still doesn't have the low slots it needs to effectively nano
- Missile 'sniping' is a complete waste. If you have not noticed, Tier 3 BC's hvae got that role down pat. Stop trying to force the cerb into an outdated, and horrible playstyle.

Eagle: Wow. The one ship that needed the most help, and you have done nothing.
-Speed: 180 are you kidding me? Still way to slow
- Only 4 Lows, really really lacking for a rail boat
- again the eagle has no useful role. Its eclipsed in the sniping world, and in the brawling world will easily get outplayed by ships that are faster, and hit harder.

I again would like to re-iterate how shocking the complete, and willful disregard to eve-o suggestions is to me. This will be my last post on the subject, because clearly trying to have a rational conversation about these ships, gets thrown to the wayside.

You still don't have a good idea for HACs. So instead of trying to come up with something new, you are going to be placing them in the same place they were before:

Horrible brawlers, that have less EHP / DPS than BS / BC / Command ships, or horrible snipers that are completely eclipsed by Tier 3 BC's.

Start training for your vagas boys.

I first assumed that same since you boost 1780 out of 2180 per asb cyle, but thats still1.4k ehp (doesnt sound like a lot but thats about as much as a standard (nonarty) medium sized gun hits you for per volley) and you can bleed armour/structure for quite a bit, you just cant wait and you need to boost immeditaly once you get below 14%.

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Something extra that is good.

WTF you guys doing? Cynabals use 100 MN AB!!!!!

Sisue is.. before . that fit was used because there was ntohign better to do. Now.. it will become almost mandatory and ASB are much more complicated to fit (the X L one that peopel will try to squeeze anyway).