EVE General Discussion

the instanced thing is debatable, but doing seamless transitions for that would mean more server resources, i wouldnt mind for example, landing directly on a planet, with a rifter or condor, maybe a rookie ship or shuttle, but with the current TiDi problems its evident that even the EVE server couldnt handle the work of managing the generation of real planet surfaces (right now they're more like decoration)

but we have instanced content anyways, station environments are already an instance, i can dare to say that solar systems are instanced too, i've never have heard of someone travelling from one system to another directly, without using a gate, jump bridge or jump drive.

so the instanced thing isnt a problem, of course its still too massive to do, but CCP could have done it implementing it by parts, the new character creation system was one, the CQ was another, it could be improved with content each expansion. heck even the planet content would be tied to PI so its no excuse, same for atmospheric flight and spaceship landing.

I'd be interested in hearing about those exclusive stations for ten year vets. They'd have to be more than just a new background in which to spin your ship.

buy a third screen. problem solved

Stop dragging this thread out of the grave.

Let it die, it is old and served its purpose.

Odyssey has been the first expansion in over a year to slightly interest me., not because I personally found the content amazing. But it seems that we are finally on the road to getting new content into the game, rather than endless fixes and tweaks (not that there is anything necessarily wrong with that, its just nice to get something new to do).

I'm looking forward to finally getting out of that room to explore the dark dank interiors of new eden..

The problem with the whole thing is defining what "this" is.

Vague ideas of owning shops and meeting places and mini-games and dress-up dolls is not a feature. There have to be solid ideas with clearly defined bits of gameplay and rewards and risks. I have yet to see anything remotely like that from CCP.

How fun is the captain's quarters right now? It *is* walking in stations.

I hate to admit it - it physically hurts me - but for once I partly agree with our local Blizzard representative, Ace 'WOWie' Uoweme. Although I think it is a bit more complex than 'RPers like fluff'. Some do, some don't.

Here is my thoughts on WiS:

Not everything must be 'meaningful' in the sense of: "Hey, I can shoot you in the face" or even has to be ultra-exciting.

e.g.: You cannot shoot people when they are docked. Now, the other day I was in "The Summit" RPG channel and I just got curious. There were about 10 people talking at the time. So I used a locator agent to see where they are, went into my trusty stealther and checked out the closest 5. One guy was mining. The other four were docked up.

One in Low, one in NPC Null and the rest in HS.

So there seems to be a market for social talk already. And this is just one of many RP Channels.

You might think about RPers whatever you want to. "This is a PVP game..." - Hell, Asgard was a RP-PVP Age of Conan server. Guess what, you could attack anyone anywhere you wanted. Exactly like in EVE. And there was still RP. As intended.

Now if I want to meet five or so people for a card game or just to chit-chat before hitting space again, I wouldn't mind the extra immersion of actually sitting in a bar, facing them. If that bar is owned by another player, fine. I wouldn't mind if I could not shoot him there.

Aside from that many people who are not RPers have problems identifying with being "just a ship". OK, newest option is being either a ship or a virtual prisoner.

Even crappy companies like Cryptic realized that. One of the first things people asked in STO - which was a horrid game in the beginning, while now being a mediocre one at least - was: Hey, why can't I visit my own ship? They put it in real quickly (and made a nice money grab from their mini-store for additional ship interiors, which is something I would not want to see in EVE I guess... But then there are people ok with dressing up their spaceship's outside for money already.). All you can do in STO is beam people on board your ship, walk around, talk.

But that is the human factor some players cherish. And frankly - while I don't need it in EVE for myself - it was more fun to get our Klingons up on the bridge and talk a mission through before we engaged. I got several friends who played STO to try EVE.
"How can we meet up somewhere?" - "You can't."
They admitted that EVE is the superior game in all other aspects. Except for this. And this little thing made them leave.
EVE is not for everyone... I agree.

That said, I'd also - as in: in addition - want stuff like the EVA they said they'll do in about a trillion years or the spy game that will follow up shortly after the sun collapses. Although I don't know - from a 'meaningful & lore' perspective why I as a capsuleer would go onto that relic station. According to lore I have a crew on my ships, too. Let them go, I don't just park a ship in space for no reason. I want all the WiS carrots they showed over the years since... Was it 2008?

I have played for quite some time now and I enjoy the game as it is. I like the spaceships, the PVP, exploration, ... etc.
And honestly I don't think WiS will EVER come. Ever... But if it did it wouldn't hurt the experience of a space simulator. Not space ship flight sim, space simulator. I think that was CCPs stated vision.

Ah, now I feel better...



I think you are biased in another way. You are biased because you think you can apply general rules, which can be applied across the market. And you don't have the knowledge about this game or this community to make that assumption.
I play a lot of MMORPGs and other MMO types myself. I find the EVE community quite different from most other communities - as well as the player expectations. So you are biased because you believe in your own opinion too much and won't accept arguments others make. That has a name, I think. And reeks of arrogance.



Another assumption. What people tried to explain to you is that you can have and get everything that you want, but you must work and fight for it. They have already made the new player experience much easier. But unlike in WOW, where you are taken by the hand and the game just points you at the treasure and the next 5-min quest, in EVE you must set goals for yourself and they are mostly long-term goals. Players that do not have the patience for this are just not made for this game.
Also unlike in WOW, if you caught me in the wrong ship or wrong situation, you could shoot me out of the sky. You could scam me, you could hurt me in various ways. In WOW a "Level 3" character could not hope to e.g. even hit my Druid. Which took me all of 2 weeks to get to level 80 back when 80 was maximum level. At a very leisurely pace.



On that we can partly agree, I was actually very much against PLEX back when they were introduced, as were many others.
On the other hand it dealt nicely with many of the more obvious Real Money traders or Goldfarmers.
Let me try to explain to you what this is in your WOW terms:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dkkf5NEIo0

And I say that even though I can PLEX my char and alts if I want to. But no one forces other people to buy PLEX for RL money and sell them on the market. If no one buys them from CCP for RL money, none are on the market, simple.



What I read in the answers to most posts you made so far is that people don't think your way works. They thought the same about the very early Goonswarm and a lot of other people. Just prove them wrong. Me included.
But don't ask for the game to be mended into something it is not, has never been and will never be.

CCP is doing rather well with EVE actually. It has a slow, steady, rising number of subscriptions over the years. You cannot compare them to Blizzard. I actually wrote a long article about Blizzard's success once. I'm actually impressed by Michael Morhaime's & Co's success. But they are not the meter by which to judge every other game with an MMORPG tag.
Almost all the WOW clones failed. So what does us tell this? It is not good to try to emulate them. It is better to find a niche that attracts another kind of player.

Back to WiS:
WiS is a different story because there is a large number of players in the game already who want it.
It is a feature that CCP has promised for a long time, but all we see is various experiments. I realize and believe what they said in the beginning of this thread is true: They just cannot afford it at the moment. I don't believe they will for the next few years. Or perhaps they will never be able to.

What I don't like is: Why then post so many carrots? "We have tried this, we have tried that... Look, this is the promenade of a station. Read in this blog article how there will be player-owned pubs, shops, lalala... EVA suits... tralala"

Then the next one posts: "Yeah, but we cannot do it."

They should not do that. People like the game without WiS and it is not fair to pretend that it will come sometime in the forseeable future. And by that I mean 2 years. Because new players don't yet know what: "Soon TM" means. ;)

You know I was thinking. A lot of environmental assets are being build for dust (including interiors), and I wonder what the potential is to use these in EVE.

Actually, what I'd really like to see is e.g. the current skeleton, thus flexibility of our CQ prisoners.
If a DEV could provide that in some mini-blog, it would be kewl... or scary.