EVE General Discussion

Does

no one

else

find this

absurd?

This simply makes solo-ganking impossible, and encourages, yet more blobbing style attacks.

Even with an isk penalty implemented, people will still suicide thrashers/rifters etc to kill people.

The only way to solve this problem is to ether make highsec completely safe, (ie: no players can damage another player) or we debuff concord and teach the newbies how to play eve like it was made to be played.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DBVH6IVxas

Because as it stands now, If something drops more then 15ish mil depending on my module drop from my wreck - I made money.

At least after this i'll have to hit things that are worth 50mil or more (aka be a bit more intelligent about my ganks.) to pull a profit.
(Which, to be honest I already did. If it isn't worth more then 200mil that's in 2 or more seperate items, I didn't gank it.)
Now it's a little bit more rolling the dice then it was before, and that's not all bad. (Hell I popped a nearly 5bil isk cnr raven and only saw 25mil module drop, was slightly annoyed but I only lost ~20 mil on the two t1 bs trade for it)

There's no reason they should take that much risk when i'm virtually risk free (I go into every fight knowing I will die.)
It doesn't make sense.

If your arguement is "they shouldnt be using autopilot" then I do agree, but intelligent people isn't what this topic is about.

I risk giving kill rights to a bear for 30 days (And only ever had one drake pilot actually come hunt me down to try, which I applauded him for)

They risk.. Their ship + whatever isk is in their cargo hold.
As it stands right now on tq, I risk 10/20mil isk usually depending on my module drop/salvage (bc/bs).
When my potential earnings are in the billions (Got a geddon BPO my third week of suicide ganking, I was pretty pumped!)

Risk vs reward, They have all the risk already - all I have is potential and people are whining about 30mil insurance payouts being taken away?

It's mind blowing to be honest.

edited to add:



I agree to the point it's pvp that im firing on another player, But honestly the accuracy of my shipscanner/cargo scanner is the real deal breaker (I try to make a habbit of scanning twice when I can, its important to be on the landing gate in the next door system, rather then the incoming gate they are warping from).

It's really interesting reading your thoughts on it tippia, and I mean in a perfect world I think there is better ways for ccp to deal with this too - The only real difference is I see why this change is necessary it seems.

Glad to see your not falling for all the troll bait!

If you believe this will effect suicide ganking, you would be sadly mistaken. Suicide ganks will increase prob more with the ones who are -10.0. Because people are under the impression they are safer in highsec space and think people will not fork over the money to do it. Oh they can and they will. If not for profit but for the tears.

It's better than (ugh, I just noticed I have only one like...bleh....anyway) nothing, but it's not quite what is appropriate, which is all pirates are enemies of any sovereignty where they commit their crimes, and are shot on sight. C'mon. Blackbeard had to deal wivvit. So should you wannabee Blackbeards out there. Until that's a feature in this game, ganking is a child's enterprise carried out by children clomping around in their daddy's shoes trying to look like big guys. Smear that on your thumb and suck it diapered tough guys.

Hell, I can go out an run a single anom in 0.4 and get enough off bounties to buy and fit a gank Thrasher. Ten minutes tops, if I'm being lazy.

Quote button right next to edit... Stupid.

It really depends on what the target is. If I want to gank a Hulk, I get the gang together in Thrashers. If I want to gank a Retriever, I do it myself. Sometimes I get to can-clip and lose nothing.

Insurance changes nothing, except to create a false sense of security.

But then, by now in this conversation, everyone should know that.

I completely agree insurance changes will do absolutly nothing to the number of ships suicide ganked. Infact i'd bet there will be an increase for a while, just out of spite.
But It does change the methods used to gank. I would much rather use a team of cheap thrashers then my lone tempest. I'll actually be saving isk by being forced into this method.

And the encouragement of these blob techniques in additional gameplay areas, is only going to make it that much harder for new players to get into it on their own, or in their small corps.

I'm just a bit saddened that i cant use my tempest anymore (not cant, but... for price reasons, wont)

I posted about this in another forum, er... post. I feel insurance, period, is dumb. If you have been playing for more than a year and cannot figure out how to properly fit ANY ship, nor afford to replace it, you should not play this game. I think for players less than a year old, would be fine... Scratch that... ACCOUNTS less than a year old (to avoid alt isk sinks).

I tell all of our noobs: "If you cant afford to lose it, don't use it."

Before I go to bed for the night.

Does anybody else find the whole thread utterly absurd?

I mean, some are really loudly complaining because they won't get a payout from a insurance organization in EVE when they get blown up by the INGAME POLICE for doing things that are illegal INGAME.

Are we not supposed to consider the fact that New Eden is NOT some sort of savage post apocalyptic wasteland but more along the lines of a Mafia controlled city during the 20's and 30's. The ingame universe gives us a structure of law and order that cannot keep up with the demands that Capsuleer's put on it, we can go round and round about the who "gets EVE" more but in the end we cannot deny that concord is the police in the game and if they destroy you for breaking the law than it makes perfect sense to not expect your insurance company to give you a payout blindly.

I don't care if you gank, but don't act like that is the only thing you should be doing in EVE and that doing anything else makes you no better than a target.

besides, I doubt you would have much to shoot at if carebears could not build your ships and ammo for you.