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Suicide Ganking: coming to an end?

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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#401 - 2011-11-07 12:13:53 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Michael Holmes Holmes wrote:

besides, I doubt you would have much to shoot at if carebears could not build your ships and ammo for you.


You realise that "PvPers" can train industry skills as well as anyone else, right? And that's before we even consider alts.


Then they are no longer PvPers but EVE players... Get your fact straight.

PvPers are arcade players... they play to destroy, and often get destroyed, they buy GTCs and sells them to have their "five seconds of glory" in game.


Very few "PvPers" sell GTCs for ISK to fund themselves.

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Ryllic Sin
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#402 - 2011-11-07 12:20:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryllic Sin
Inbrainsane wrote:
Botters rejoice.


Botters already rejoice, they rent space from alliances, plus of course plenty of "PvPers" use bots, the number of hypocritical nulltards is hilarious.
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#403 - 2011-11-07 12:25:17 UTC
please keep coining more portmanteaus involving "nullsec", it makes you look clever and witty

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Ryllic Sin
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#404 - 2011-11-07 12:30:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryllic Sin
Andski wrote:
please keep coining more portmanteaus involving "nullsec", it makes you look clever and witty


Cleverer than the nulltard hypocrites who only whine about bots in hi-sec...
Jenshae Chiroptera
#405 - 2011-11-07 13:04:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
yumike wrote:
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There's no reason they should take that much risk when i'm virtually risk free (I go into every fight knowing I will die.)
It doesn't make sense.

If your arguement is "they shouldnt be using autopilot" then I do agree, but intelligent people isn't what this topic is about.

I risk giving kill rights to a bear for 30 days (And only ever had one drake pilot actually come hunt me down to try, which I applauded him for)

They risk.. Their ship + whatever isk is in their cargo hold.
As it stands right now on tq, I risk 10/20mil isk usually depending on my module drop/salvage (bc/bs).
When my potential earnings are in the billions (Got a geddon BPO my third week of suicide ganking, I was pretty pumped!) ...


Quoted for highlighting purposes.

Edit: Why does Tipsy keep harping on about "false sense of security"? Most high sec dwellers don't read dev blogs fully or come on the forums, so they will be unaware of this change. It is really just the gankers that will notice it.

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#406 - 2011-11-07 13:06:37 UTC
Ryllic Sin wrote:
Andski wrote:
please keep coining more portmanteaus involving "nullsec", it makes you look clever and witty


Cleverer than the nulltard hypocrites who only whine about bots in hi-sec...

You're going to the 'nulltard' well a bit too often. If you're shooting for clever and witty you'll need to learn to mix it up a bit.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#407 - 2011-11-07 13:41:18 UTC
So, it finally came to be. No surprise either.

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Lucien Visteen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#408 - 2011-11-07 13:41:58 UTC
inexistin wrote:
So we won't be seeing any other gank ships except for thrashers and uberfitted lvl4 running faction bs' will be pretty much forever safe. Newsworthy.

Although I hate the thought of so many headless chickens driving their bling through the neighbourhood in nearly complete safety.



Then I promote you to be the bringer of death to these pimped out faction bs'.

Show these lowly cretins what happens if you get too lulled by a false sence of security!

The ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't.

March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#409 - 2011-11-07 14:05:08 UTC
Montevius Williams wrote:
Takashi X2 wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Selinate wrote:
If you find someone floating around in space with a ton of expensive stuff in their cargo hold and want to suicide gank them, fine, but you really shouldn't get the majority of the isk loss from your lost ship back also... It's rather one-sided in favor of the suicide gankers in that case.
It's only one-sided if the victim chooses to make it one-sided by not equipping his ship properly, by not flying it properly, and by not enforcing the consequences on the aggressor.


Outta curiosity if the enemey brings 50 BS's to gank a Freighter full of really expensive cargo flying through high sec gate to gate instead of autopiloting how is that anywhere near fair to the frieghter pilot? You cant fit it better and gate to gate is the quickest way to do it. You cant fly with support against that many enemies and theres no real way to know if they are coming for you some times even if you have scouts 3 systems out.



I would like to know the answer to this as well.

ask Tippia:
- her hulks are not-killable by 2-3 alpha-tempest
- her scounts are able to detect any links between chars in game to detect if they are in 1 gank or not (even if they are from different corps and not in one fleet)
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#410 - 2011-11-07 14:23:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Andski wrote:
please keep coining more portmanteaus involving "nullsec", it makes you look clever and witty


thanks i would, however i leaved that carebear paradise, because it stopped to be sanctum paradise Big smile

I know there are money to be made with probing out plexes. However dont have any probe skills. I know its more profitable. Yet i prefered 20/7 hr sanctums, and i know i made a lot of money. Altho not near to the one who claims to have 160 mil per hour. I was somewhere at 40-60 mil with 1047 dps tengu 23,7 km range. Near the income of an drake, however i used that money to help new players, and other stuff.

So now its for few people who actually want PvP, altho i miss the point of null sec in this case, they can go with low sec with it.

Generally carebear 0.0 nerf was good for "general economy" however its bad for population of nullsec. Since carebears actually provided intel they were the eyes. Now its like it "should be" ?? questionable.

High sec incursion .. reason every null char got at least one alt in empire. I find it somewhat ironic. That null-elite-PvPers actually have to have an high sec alt to somewhat survive.
Ryllic Sin
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#411 - 2011-11-07 14:27:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryllic Sin
Ladie Harlot wrote:

You're going to the 'nulltard' well a bit too often. If you're shooting for clever and witty you'll need to learn to mix it up a bit.


Twice isn't often... If you don't like it, stop crying and HTFU... The only thing I'm shooting for is pointing out the hypcriscy of many members of nullsec alliances when it comes to their whining about botting in hi-sec...
Jack All'Trade
Doomheim
#412 - 2011-11-07 14:31:49 UTC
Andski wrote:
please keep coining more portmanteaus involving "nullsec", it makes you look clever and witty

omnomnom goon tears are sweet Big smile
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#413 - 2011-11-07 14:36:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Andski wrote:
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Michael Holmes Holmes wrote:

besides, I doubt you would have much to shoot at if carebears could not build your ships and ammo for you.


You realise that "PvPers" can train industry skills as well as anyone else, right? And that's before we even consider alts.


Then they are no longer PvPers but EVE players... Get your fact straight.

PvPers are arcade players... they play to destroy, and often get destroyed, they buy GTCs and sells them to have their "five seconds of glory" in game.


Very few "PvPers" sell GTCs for ISK to fund themselves.


true but the/an they are not pure PvPers, they got at least one alt attached to making iSK, which makes them EVE players. As i stated few posts above.

Anyway back to the core of suicide ganking.... Its part of game? Yes it is. Is removing insurance of any significance? No, it is not.
I know that the following example is no how the EVE works in general but

Is it fine that 200 mil ship can be destroyed by 30 mil ship / * if fitted for max tank ? And be honest .. try to leave your "schism" outdoor ..

disclaimer : I cant mine dont have skills for it
Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
#414 - 2011-11-07 14:43:56 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Andski wrote:
Very few "PvPers" sell GTCs for ISK to fund themselves.


true but the/an they are not pure PvPers, they got at least one alt attached to making iSK, which makes them EVE players. As i stated few posts above.


An EVE Player is someone who plays EVE. That's the only valid definition, not the one you invent yourself.

What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#415 - 2011-11-07 14:45:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Jack Dant wrote:
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Andski wrote:
Very few "PvPers" sell GTCs for ISK to fund themselves.


true but the/an they are not pure PvPers, they got at least one alt attached to making iSK, which makes them EVE players. As i stated few posts above.


An EVE Player is someone who plays EVE. That's the only valid definition, not the one you invent yourself.


Thats the whole point.

EVE player is one who plays EVE as you wrote.

Yet somehow some people feel that their play-style is only way how to play EVE.
Lexmana
#416 - 2011-11-07 14:54:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Jack Dant wrote:
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Andski wrote:
Very few "PvPers" sell GTCs for ISK to fund themselves.


true but the/an they are not pure PvPers, they got at least one alt attached to making iSK, which makes them EVE players. As i stated few posts above.


An EVE Player is someone who plays EVE. That's the only valid definition, not the one you invent yourself.


Thats the whole point.

EVE player is one who plays EVE as you wrote.

Yet somehow some people feel that they play-style is only way how to play EVE.


EvE is a PvP game and that makes every EvE player a PvPer even if some are in a state of denial.
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#417 - 2011-11-07 14:55:30 UTC
Supporting this change, hope its real, hope it goes live. Make insurance more realistic, and support a better risk vs reward model.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#418 - 2011-11-07 15:01:14 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Jack Dant wrote:
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Andski wrote:
Very few "PvPers" sell GTCs for ISK to fund themselves.


true but the/an they are not pure PvPers, they got at least one alt attached to making iSK, which makes them EVE players. As i stated few posts above.


An EVE Player is someone who plays EVE. That's the only valid definition, not the one you invent yourself.


Thats the whole point.

EVE player is one who plays EVE as you wrote.

Yet somehow some people feel that their play-style is only way how to play EVE.


The irony is strong in this post
Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
#419 - 2011-11-07 15:06:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Dant
Montevius Williams wrote:
Outta curiosity if the enemey brings 50 BS's to gank a Freighter full of really expensive cargo flying through high sec gate to gate instead of autopiloting how is that anywhere near fair to the frieghter pilot? You cant fit it better and gate to gate is the quickest way to do it. You cant fly with support against that many enemies and theres no real way to know if they are coming for you some times even if you have scouts 3 systems out.


50 BS is a very high estimate. It'll take more like 15 BS to alpha a freighter (you can get away with less, but bring a few extra to make sure).

For each BS, you can count on a 30 mil loss or so, plus, as a bare minimum, 100 mil profit per pilot. So it takes a minimum of 2b in loot to justify the gank. Now, on average, only half the cargo will drop, meaning you need a target with at least 4b in cargo. Not something freighter pilots do every day.

Now, 15 BS waiting around on a gate are easy enough to spot. Just have a friend or alt run 1-2 jumps ahead of you checking the gates and short range scan for a bunch of BS. If you find something suspicious, dock up, take a detour, or split your cargo in smaller chunks.

You will complain other people are forcing you to change your playstyle, but that's just the nature of the game. It's a multiplayer game, and you need to take other people's actions into account. Refusing to do it is like complaining about paying rent to other players in Monopoly.

What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644

Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#420 - 2011-11-07 15:17:40 UTC
The only people that have a problem with this are the suicide gankers. This change makes complete sense and should be implemented. I can't imagine why any insurance company would want to reward someone for breaking the law. Last time I checked...if your car is shot up because it was the getaway car in an armed robbery the insurance company does not pay for your repairs.

A little more common sense in EvE. This is a good thing.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821