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Suicide Ganking: coming to an end?

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Meatbag Pussrocket
Root.
#1 - 2011-11-05 22:20:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Meatbag Pussrocket
Singularity has some wonderful new ships and textures and nebulae... yes yes, well and good, but did you notice the new policy that appears to be in effect? Namely:

If you get concorded, you get no insurance payout, period.

for better or for worse it looks like CCP is taking a stand on Suicide ganking, hulk-a-geddon, or market manipulation via proxy war on items, or all of the above.

What do you think: is this the end of suicide ganking as we know it, or the beginning of something more devious?

FWIW: i have no horse in this race, but if nothing else it may push those looking for PvP into more desparate measures and might incite some violence in 0.0, and thats always a good thing.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#2 - 2011-11-05 22:28:54 UTC
It will slightly alter what targets people select when they suicide for profit. The affect it will have on suiciding done for LOLs or for strategic reasons is propably even more negligible.
Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2011-11-05 22:37:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulin Aussie
Confirmed.

Thankfully, destroyers are cheap as **** and going to be win after patch, so hulks and **** get no love.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#4 - 2011-11-05 22:37:27 UTC
Meatbag Pussrocket wrote:
What do you think: is this the end of suicide ganking as we know it, or the beginning of something more devious?
It had better not be, or they'll need to massively nerf CONCORD to make ganking much easier than it is right now.
ShipToaster
#5 - 2011-11-05 22:40:50 UTC
Wait, you mean Poetic Stanzeil was right? Score one for the tinfoil hatters.

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Large Collidable Object
morons.
#6 - 2011-11-05 22:41:01 UTC
I'm somewhat ambivalent on the issue - it will render highsec botters paradise (not that I though the occasional gank would have discouraged them thus far), but from a gameplay perspective it makes sense - which insurance would pay if you go on an amok-drive and the police wrecks your car?
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Gazmin VanBurin
Boma Bull Corp
#7 - 2011-11-05 22:42:16 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
It will slightly alter what targets people select when they suicide for profit. The affect it will have on suiciding done for LOLs or for strategic reasons is propably even more negligible.


Conferming that I will still suicide gank expensive targets using SB gangs
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#8 - 2011-11-05 22:45:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Large Collidable Object wrote:
from a gameplay perspective it makes sense - which insurance would pay if you go on an amok-drive and the police wrecks your car?
From a gameplay perspective, it would also make sense to remove CONCORD and leave that stuff to the faction police forces. Which police force teleports to the scene of the crime, automatically knows who did it, and then instantly kills almost everyone involved?
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#9 - 2011-11-05 22:48:11 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Large Collidable Object wrote:
from a gameplay perspective it makes sense - which insurance would pay if you go on an amok-drive and the police wrecks your car?
From a gameplay perspective, it would also make sense to remove CONCORD and leave that stuff to the faction police forces.


Agreed.

Unlikely it's going to happen I'm afraid.

A sad day for eve.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
Already Replaced.
#10 - 2011-11-05 22:49:07 UTC
IMHO the removal of insureance payout for conocord related deaths is a logical change and why it wasnt in place at the start i have no idea apart from that i dont think its aimed directly at suicide ganking i can only see a slight decrease in overall ganking and gankers will just be alot more picky at what they go after.
Stealing Honest
Stealing Honest Speculation Group LLC
#11 - 2011-11-05 22:50:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Stealing Honest
This is a nice move. Not because it will reduce ganks, but because it wont effect them at all, and it does reduce an isk faucet.


Goon are gonna love this change heh, and the new tears will be epic Smile


SH
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#12 - 2011-11-05 22:51:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
ITTigerClawIK wrote:
IMHO the removal of insureance payout for conocord related deaths is a logical change
How so?
Quote:
i can only see a slight decrease in overall ganking and gankers will just be alot more picky at what they go after.
And the question, as always, is why on earth that is needed.
If anything, highsec could use an increase in ganks at the moment, because they've become so ridiculously rare over the years.
Stealing Honest wrote:
This is a nice move. Not because it will reduce ganks, but because it wont effect them at all, and it does reduce an isk faucet.
If they want to reduce the ISK faucets, it would be far better to adjust one of the bigger ones and do a very minute adjustment to it instead — same total effect, but far less impact on those affected.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-11-05 22:52:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
Right-click - selfdestruct - wait 1:55 - gank - collect insurance.

As of yesterday you did get insurance payout for self-destructing.


If that "loophole" is patched, the change would mainly effect people ganking freighters for profit, therefore increase the maximum "safe" value of cargo to move around in a freighter.
Name Family Name
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2011-11-05 22:54:05 UTC
If this is true, all of 0.0 and lowsec should form the donut and collectively turn on highsec.
Selinate
#15 - 2011-11-05 22:54:30 UTC
This is a step in the right direction, AND it does not mean the end of suicide ganking.

If you take out a ship filled with 1 bil worth of faction fits, you should have the risk of losing it in a suicide gank.

If you want to use a ship to suicide gank someone in, you have the consequence of completely losing your ship, and getting no isk back at all. It just doesn't make sense otherwise...
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#16 - 2011-11-05 22:54:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Right-click - selfdestruct - wait 1:55 - gank - collect insurance.

As of yesterday you did get insurance payout for self-destructing.
That, or make sure you do it on stations or gates in a ship that gets vaporised by the sentry guns before the doughnut boys get there — sentries still leave your insurance intact.
Selinate wrote:
This is a step in the right direction
What direction is that, and why is it the right one?
Quote:
If you want to use a ship to suicide gank someone in, you have the consequence of completely losing your ship, and getting no isk back at all. It just doesn't make sense otherwise...
How so?
Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2011-11-05 22:56:05 UTC
It's not going to stop suicide ganking. t1 fit battlecruiser is still only about 30m which really isnt a lot of money. Destroyers and cruisers are even less.
my opinion anyway.
Sadayiel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-11-05 22:56:37 UTC
Meatbag Pussrocket wrote:
Singularity has some wonderful new ships and textures and nebulae... yes yes, well and good, but did you notice the new policy that appears to be in effect? Namely:

If you get concorded, you get no insurance payout, period.

for better or for worse it looks like CCP is taking a stand on Suicide ganking, hulk-a-geddon, or market manipulation via proxy war on items, or all of the above.

What do you think: is this the end of suicide ganking as we know it, or the beginning of something more devious?

FWIW: i have no horse in this race, but if nothing else it may push those looking for PvP into more desparate measures and might incite some violence in 0.0, and thats always a good thing.



Do you really consider suicide gankers are looking for PvP experience?

I think there is a difference with PvP and Grief/Punish other players weak tanked ships in *relatively* safe space
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#19 - 2011-11-05 22:58:13 UTC
Bischopt wrote:
It's not going to stop suicide ganking. t1 fit battlecruiser is still only about 30m which really isnt a lot of money. Destroyers and cruisers are even less.
my opinion anyway.



My guess would be that stealthbombers will become far more common in suicide ganks...
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#20 - 2011-11-05 22:59:14 UTC
Meatbag Pussrocket wrote:
If you get concorded, you get no insurance payout, period.

What do you think: is this the end of suicide ganking as we know it, or the beginning of something more devious?

I think it won't make a lot of difference really. Gankers will just pick slightly fatter prey and well for ganking Macks you don't need expensive ships anyway.

Still, I'm happy insurance at last starts to make some sense.
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