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Suicide Ganking: coming to an end?

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Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#301 - 2011-11-06 21:00:05 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
It is good that CCP gives message to all that Highsec will be secure again, after insurance nerf.

Now we can all run missions with officer fitted ships without fear.


Why not, its not like Goons have the sack to actually kill em :p
Or Incursion runners either

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Jita Alt666
#302 - 2011-11-06 21:09:32 UTC
Aubepine Finfleur wrote:
Scalar Angulargf wrote:

Empire does need more PVP. Carebears need to HTFU and deal with it.

If you want a game where you're always safe, go back to STO or PVE WOW


I can gatecamp in lowsec, run scams on a disposable character, and missions on a third one to have access to LPs stores and highsec markets. I can even gank from time to time with the 3rd one, since running missions keeps his sec status in the positive. And when some goody-two-shoes come to bust my camp, I just dock up waiting for them to go, refresh my scams and continue running missions. I just need three accounts, but between the gateganking, the scams and the missions, I have more than enough to buy plex with isk.

Why would I need to HTFU ? I risk nothing, and am always safe. What do you mean exactly ?


Lets hope plex prices rise enough and then stabilise at a level that makes your solo gameplay strategy broken.
Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#303 - 2011-11-06 21:10:00 UTC
Remove security status gain from killing NPCs in null space and we will have a winner. Concord does not give a **** about you being bad out there (no sec loss), why should they care about the good things you do?
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#304 - 2011-11-06 21:15:48 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Phantom Slave wrote:
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Phantom Slave wrote:
I'm in favor of this, but only for 1 thing. ISK Faucet is getting turned off. Now it might not be a huge amount, since its generally cheap ships being used, but it's just that much less ISK being created out of thin air.

I do feel bad for the suicide gankers who will have to work harder to find good targets of opportunity though. Best of luck to you all.


You wanna turn off the isk faucet? Get rid of missions, incirsuions, Ice and minerals oh and PVP


Ice and minerals aren't ISK faucets, as they don't create isk out of thin air.


they dont? How you figure? Then Incursions and missions arent either.


ISK faucet - any activity which results in a transfer of ISK from a NPC wallet to yours
ISK sink - any activity which results in a transfer of ISK out of your wallet and into a NPC's

Ice / Minerals do neither of the above. Nor do mission drops. Bounties paid out when you kill a NPC rat do result in ISK being transfered from the NPC's wallet to yours (therefore they are a faucet).
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#305 - 2011-11-06 21:32:43 UTC
high-sec will be safe now guys!!! feel free to undock your badgers full of BPOs, your officer fit tengus and don't bother upgrading your clone ever, it's not necessary at all and a massive waste of ISK

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Forest Hill
Tirones Inc.
#306 - 2011-11-06 21:46:42 UTC
Tippia wrote:

Highsec needs to be made more unsafe, not less.


Not sure that makes sense from a business point of view. Ganking noobs has cost CCP a lot of subs over the years, as not everyone enjoys it when they are getting ganked, in their new mining ship, when they're three weeks old and basically defenseless.When I was in a highsec starter corp we used to regularly lose new members due to can flippers/gankers/serial wardeccers etc.

New player retention is important to CCP, as new subscriptions bring in the money, and I think they're taking some steps to protect that source of income. Of course gankers are also subs, but I'm not sure what the bigger revenue stream is.

Personally I'd like to see a more granular approach, where noobs have more protection in - say - 0.8 to 1.0 space, but no changes for 0.7 and lower. Or something like that. New Eden shouldn't become too safe for everyone.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#307 - 2011-11-06 21:55:25 UTC
Forest Hill wrote:
Not sure that makes sense from a business point of view. Ganking noobs has cost CCP a lot of subs over the years, as not everyone enjoys it when they are getting ganked, in their new mining ship, when they're three weeks old and basically defenseless.
If the problem is retaining newbs, then the correct route to take is to (to a small extent) protect and (to an immensely large extent) educate those newbs on how to survive — not to break highsec and heaping even more advantages over older players.

Activities in highsec need to be easily disrupted, or you might as well dismantle large parts of the game including its economy.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#308 - 2011-11-06 21:59:43 UTC
Andski wrote:
high-sec will be safe now guys!!! feel free to undock your badgers full of BPOs, your officer fit tengus and don't bother upgrading your clone ever, it's not necessary at all and a massive waste of ISK


after you sir after you Twisted

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Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#309 - 2011-11-06 22:08:08 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Phantom Slave wrote:
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Phantom Slave wrote:
I'm in favor of this, but only for 1 thing. ISK Faucet is getting turned off. Now it might not be a huge amount, since its generally cheap ships being used, but it's just that much less ISK being created out of thin air.

I do feel bad for the suicide gankers who will have to work harder to find good targets of opportunity though. Best of luck to you all.


You wanna turn off the isk faucet? Get rid of missions, incirsuions, Ice and minerals oh and PVP


Ice and minerals aren't ISK faucets, as they don't create isk out of thin air.


they dont? How you figure? Then Incursions and missions arent either.


ISK faucet - any activity which results in a transfer of ISK from a NPC wallet to yours
ISK sink - any activity which results in a transfer of ISK out of your wallet and into a NPC's

Ice / Minerals do neither of the above. Nor do mission drops. Bounties paid out when you kill a NPC rat do result in ISK being transfered from the NPC's wallet to yours (therefore they are a faucet).




so... turn all high sec rats into drones then yer good

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Banechild
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#310 - 2011-11-06 22:11:02 UTC
So how does losing an insurance payout changes anything ?
Well it doesn't just because you get 40-60mils less per gank mean nothing, it only means you have to gank some more targets or get more picky with your targets.

And people who cry that this is somehow making high sec more safe. Well it won't, you can still gank all the ships you like but now you have to make isk to replace those ships (like the rest of us) for your "PvP" habits.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#311 - 2011-11-06 22:16:39 UTC
Banechild wrote:
So how does losing an insurance payout changes anything ?
Well it doesn't just because you get 40-60mils less per gank mean nothing, it only means you have to gank some more targets or get more picky with your targets.

And people who cry that this is somehow making high sec more safe. Well it won't, you can still gank all the ships you like but now you have to make isk to replace those ships (like the rest of us) for your "PvP" habits.


well like was said earlier. Those gankers that have said tat its not about the insurance for years will be put to he test lol

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#312 - 2011-11-06 22:27:12 UTC
Banechild wrote:


And people who cry that this is somehow making high sec more safe.


It certainly won't make hi-sec safer for miners.

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Smidsy Honest
They never saw me coming
#313 - 2011-11-06 22:28:54 UTC
I'm kinda expecting an increase in suicide ganks when the winter patch hits down. At least short term. I know a few people that are starting to stack up ready for a bit of "you thought this would stop it?" action.


Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know what you're thinking. Fresh alt, trying to get in quick before insurance is removed. Or maybe it's just a case of brushing up on some ganking?
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#314 - 2011-11-06 22:35:42 UTC
This change will magically stop groups of arty thrashers.

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Bacchanalian
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#315 - 2011-11-06 22:39:37 UTC
Note to self: drop more isk into the corp wallet this year to fund our yearly Christmas suicide ganking campaign.

Won't change much, just shows CCP's consistent desire to protect carebears more and more and make highsec safer and safer. A shame to see them drifting away from the original intent of the game, but you can't really expect differently when they're trying to expand their player base and bring in the WoW types.

The carebear elation in the thread is kinda funny though. Think I'm gonna take some time off to gank miners in highsec just for the tears after this change goes through and ask miners think they're safer. :D
Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#316 - 2011-11-06 22:45:30 UTC
Don't need the bs's now, we got the tier 3 bc's coming.

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Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#317 - 2011-11-06 22:55:53 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Selinate wrote:
If you find someone floating around in space with a ton of expensive stuff in their cargo hold and want to suicide gank them, fine, but you really shouldn't get the majority of the isk loss from your lost ship back also... It's rather one-sided in favor of the suicide gankers in that case.
It's only one-sided if the victim chooses to make it one-sided by not equipping his ship properly, by not flying it properly, and by not enforcing the consequences on the aggressor.


Yeah, learn to fit your freighters properly noobs! What idiot flies an unfit billion ISK ship??










(That was irony)
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
#318 - 2011-11-06 22:57:29 UTC
GJ CCP A good step in the right direction.

Better would be to remove 'default' insurance payout as well.

Better still would be to remove insurance for self-destruct as well.

Best of all would be to remove insurance for all ships flown by toons> 1 year old. Insurance is stupid and should only benefit noobs in t1's (and you could even create a good RP explanation for that.)
Hyacinthous
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#319 - 2011-11-06 22:58:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Hyacinthous
You know sometimes people are in the process of picking up fittings or moving between markets and by saying generalizations it just makes you look incredibly stupid.

On topic, they should punish gankers and they should fix the rest of the game as well because honestly this could be a lot better than it is now. If this is broken eve, imagine what a Functional and Good Eve would be like.

This game has much potential, but it is being robbed by greedy people and lowlife scum.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#320 - 2011-11-06 22:58:19 UTC
what I dont get is theyre putting new ships in the game that are in essence designed to be suicide gankers and then take away insurance... give with one hand take with the other?

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.