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Please Help Me Understand the Goonfolk
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Josef Djugashvilis
#121 - 2013-06-01 07:18:19 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Andski wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Right, goons don’t want to fight other trained and skilled or fitted pvp pilots from other null sec corps for control of sov because that would be to stressful and costly.... so lets go gank some players in hi-sec that aren’t trained skilled or fitted for pvp.

Now that’s content. Roll


after having conquered every region in 0.0 at some point in time the only thing left to do is flog some hiseccers

not our problem if they don't know anything about this game *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal


By posting nonsense like this Andski, one can only hope that you quit the game.

Folk would then have more respect for, and dislike the goons less.


Edit: removed reply to removed personal attack. ISD Ezwal.

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Emily Earnest
State War Academy
Caldari State
#122 - 2013-06-01 08:56:27 UTC
Astrid Stjerna wrote:
You are cherry picking, but I won't hold it against you. Blink

It's important to remember that income is not always greater than outflow. The Canadian one-cent coin, by way of example, cost 1.6 cents per unit to mint. The Canadian mint was actually losing money on every penny they made.

I fully admit further along in my post that it's unlikely to ever reach that point; there are other sources that CCP can draw from to build a subscriber base. My point, however, was to show that the Goons' behavior is confusing to the point of irrationality.


Well I thank you for that Smile

I could see how you'd arrive at your conclusion as you're someone on the outside looking in. But don't you think that if we were truly out to "destroy your game" as it were, we'd be a lot more malicious about it, instead of creating content that a large portion of people who aren't in goons can participate in? I mean sure, on the surface, Burn Jita or the extended hulkageddon might seem attacks on the player base at large, but the reactions I've seen, for the most part, have been positive.

If we really are some evil space empire hell bent on burning the game down, I'm just not seeing it. Honestly, sometimes I feel more like a member of a parks and recreation board...

Might also be Xinivrae

People are still weird...
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#123 - 2013-06-01 13:32:37 UTC
tbh it doesn't really matter what group is represented by the accusations or hatred.

The internet has empowered baser characteristics in some people for many years.
They are empowered by the anonymity the internet provides them.


The internet if full of people who make slugs look smart.
The internet is full of people who only spew vitriol and hatred.


People who post crap like this -->
Quote:
Full assburgers much? isould expect that from a Tribe scrub

I'm not the CEO, Director or Diplomat for my corp
I have no say at all in which alliance my corp joins
But that whole concept is lost on imbeciles like the poster of the above quoted statement.


The goons are bad ??
I couldn't really care, all I see is a lot of whining and crying.
If Goons upset you that much, Eve gives you the tools to let you make them know.
Bounties and war-decs...... use them or stop with the pointless internet posturing.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#124 - 2013-06-01 17:32:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
There is a rockfarm floating in the great black sea; an egg-shaped blowout spinning on its balanced axis to almost 1G at the valley floor. A small home stands near the ring pond, an old couple live there tending the pharma-stock and the vast fields of green cultivate, some from seed option far older than any database records.

One day a load of sulNi condensate knocked on the house door.

“COME IN! COME IN!”

The load entered the house and was surprised to see a giant macaw perched in the backrest of the head chair at the dinner table. This was odd because there were two tables in the house, and it would be more appropriate for the bird to be seated in the kitchen. The load commented on this fact to the bird.

“BERNACE ISN’T HOME!”

Well what does that have to do with what is right and good! Soon a great argument developed and animals began to take notice. A rooster appeared and took another backrest. Some pigs arrived, they however stayed at the door. Two large St.Bernards on the porch began to bay and bark at the commotion, in fact adding to the clamor.

Mema Picken arrived and was aghast at the display. Not knowing what to do she made tea for the guests and tried to make polite conversation.

Some time latter Pape Picken arrived home from working in the lowgrav fields high up the valley wall. Mema ran to him with tears in her eyes and clutched onto him. He held her for some moments. Then without a word he led the pigs back to their pen, sent the rooster to the chicken coop, fed the dogs, and put the macaw back in its cage.

He eyed the load of sulNi and sighed deeply, he was used to the smell and it did not bother him. He pumped the load into a spreader and set out to a sparse field labeled 9D-1. He opened the nozzles and started his circuit around the odd shaped plot, some time latter he was done. He went home and rested from the days work.

A fortday or more passes, each cycle 9D-1 gets greener and more lush. Eventually all the animals come and eat their fill of the good green grass. And soon after another load of sulNi condensate knocks on the door.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#125 - 2013-06-03 09:45:49 UTC
This thread was severely edited just before the forums went offline, many of the posts were removed. Pretty randomly as far as I can tell. Usually the ISD's make a note about editing, what they removed and why, nothing like that here.

Here's the archived version http://www.eve-search.com/thread/241313-1/page/1

Anyone have any ideas about what happened?
Dave Stark
#126 - 2013-06-03 09:47:39 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Anyone have any ideas about what happened?


ISDs got sick of all the badposting?
Axyl Gaterau
Rising Phoenix Enterprises LLC
#127 - 2013-06-03 10:46:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Axyl Gaterau
Mark Androcius wrote:
You have assets in this game, you will have to protect those assets.
The more assets you have, the more you have to protect them.

Goons have many assets, goons therefore have to protect a lot.
You may think they are just a bunch of @#%^(&@&, but actually, even something like Burn Jita or Hulkageddon, is a way for the Goons to protect their income.


Although there are many many more reasons, i shall just state one reason for Hulkageddon.
Hulkageddon is meant to gank miners in High-sec space.
What do people mine in high-sec space? indeed, lower value ores.
So, what happens when you gank the group of people, mining the lower value ores? Exactly, the value of those ores goes up.

I don't know if you know, but in null-sec, those lower value ores aren't very abundant and besides this, industrialists usually don't feel like mining them ( Arkonor makes a lot more iskies after-all ).

If the value of a particular ore goes up, so does the likelihood of people mining them.


This is just a small example, but ultimately, they are protecting their assets and their position.
Anybody else would do the exact same thing, Goons are just more successful than anybody else.


Well put mark, however I would like to add to this. Smile

We need ALL of the elements of the game for it to be what it is. EVE is an alternate reality where we can be or do ANYTHING we want. It has it's own economy 100% driven by those of us who play and just like in r/l that economy fluctuates and can be manipulated by the actions of every player in the game. This is my mining alt. I have been ganked more than once and I understand that it is frustrating, costs us isk and even makes us angry. However I also understand that it is just part of the game. When I was new to EVE I complained endlessly about pirates and gankers and even wrote complaints about them to CCP. LOLOL. Thing is, the longer I was in New Eden the more i realized that we need all of the elements of the game for it to be the most magnificent MMOG I have ever played.

You cannot EVER change human nature and let's face it ... not everyone is a peaceful, tranquil miner sitting endless, boring hours in a belt watching your mining lasers fire. Where is the excitement in that? If that was all there was to EVE I darn sure wouldn't still be here. We all have a mean streak sometimes or want to explore the darker side of ourselves without r/l consequences ... that is why I have a combat alt. Twisted That is what EVE is all about. It is an extremely complex game which offers a just as complex society for us to explore and live in. I advocate balance in the game but i accept that we need everyone whether you are an industrialist helping to drive the economy, a hero defending those in New Eden who cannot defend themselves OR a pirate (ganker) wreaking havoc. EVE would not be the wonderful alternate reality it is without all of that. Just my 2 cents. Smile
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#128 - 2013-06-03 11:14:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Astrid Stjerna
Emily Earnest wrote:
Astrid Stjerna wrote:
You are cherry picking, but I won't hold it against you. Blink

It's important to remember that income is not always greater than outflow. The Canadian one-cent coin, by way of example, cost 1.6 cents per unit to mint. The Canadian mint was actually losing money on every penny they made.

I fully admit further along in my post that it's unlikely to ever reach that point; there are other sources that CCP can draw from to build a subscriber base. My point, however, was to show that the Goons' behavior is confusing to the point of irrationality.


Well I thank you for that Smile

I could see how you'd arrive at your conclusion as you're someone on the outside looking in. But don't you think that if we were truly out to "destroy your game" as it were, we'd be a lot more malicious about it, instead of creating content that a large portion of people who aren't in goons can participate in? I mean sure, on the surface, Burn Jita or the extended hulkageddon might seem attacks on the player base at large, but the reactions I've seen, for the most part, have been positive.

If we really are some evil space empire hell bent on burning the game down, I'm just not seeing it. Honestly, sometimes I feel more like a member of a parks and recreation board...


Again, I'm not saying that the Goons are deliberately trying to depopulate New Eden; as I've already stated, if the number of new players that the Goons attract does not exceed the number they cause to leave, EVE will eventually become unprofitable to operate.

It may not be deliberate, but that's beside the point, which is:

We study the Goons because their actions are confusing, irrational and illogical. Much like most of New Eden on most days. ;)

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....
waltari
State War Academy
Caldari State
#129 - 2013-06-03 11:20:04 UTC
Daedlus Caine wrote:
First of all, I'm not sure if this belongs in the general or the alliance/corp dicussions. vov I'll risk it anyway

As I have been playing actively for about a year or two now, I've been trying to figure out why I have this mental alignment to hate the Goons. Maybe it's their popularity, maybe the fact fedoras died in the 70's, or if Mister Shadoo of PL's face makes me laugh more. So I ask of any member of the Goonswarm that passes by, what's your game? I have a difficult time thinking you're pirates. It's not the usual MO of the sociopaths of low-sec. I want to hear a Goon's thought of what they are and their alignments to the EVE universe are. Let's face it though, I'll probably only get a snark comment.

Thanks for reading!


there you go
Dion Cranes
Doomheim
#130 - 2013-06-03 11:20:25 UTC
Dont worry about the Goons.
There Time will come where they disapear from the Map,just like every big Corp/Alliance befor them.
waltari
State War Academy
Caldari State
#131 - 2013-06-03 11:24:39 UTC
Dion Cranes wrote:

There Time will come where they disapear from the Map


negative
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#132 - 2013-06-03 11:53:25 UTC
Dion Cranes wrote:
Don't worry about the Goons.
Their time will come where they disappear from the map, just like every big Corp/Alliance before them.


Nobody even makes the slightest effort anymore...

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HVAC Repairman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#133 - 2013-06-03 11:58:12 UTC
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#134 - 2013-06-03 12:39:53 UTC
Astrid Stjerna wrote:


Again, I'm not saying that the Goons are deliberately trying to depopulate New Eden; as I've already stated, if the number of new players that the Goons attract does not exceed the number they cause to leave, EVE will eventually become unprofitable to operate.

It may not be deliberate, but that's beside the point, which is:

We study the Goons because their actions are confusing, irrational and illogical. Much like most of New Eden on most days. ;)


Anyone who quits over something we did would have quit over some other bad thing that would have happened to them.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#135 - 2013-06-03 13:22:49 UTC
Make a goonie cry, cloaky camp their systems. Especially Ice systems after tomorrow. Pirate

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#136 - 2013-06-03 13:50:17 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Make a goonie cry, cloaky camp their systems. Especially Ice systems after tomorrow. Pirate


I'll be more interested in what assets they'll exploit, and how long will CCP allow it to continue this time.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
flakeys
Doomheim
#137 - 2013-06-03 14:09:09 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Andski wrote:
We do everything. Some goons like suicide ganking in highsec, so we give them the resources they need to accomplish that. Some goons like wormholes, so we give them what they need to do that. Some goons like gigantic TiDi meatgrinders, some goons like small gang PvP, and some goons like ruining days in a hostile region - we help them accomplish those things as well.



You forgot that a lot like to carebear their ass off and then ''they'' give them the safest null enviremont there is with a big blue block around you.The only reason any of my friends actually joined the goons over time.

At times i wonder how many percent of goons actually give a damn about their Alliance and how much percent only joins them for ''killboardwhoring'' andd ''plexfarming'' .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
flakeys
Doomheim
#138 - 2013-06-03 14:13:59 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Astrid Stjerna wrote:


Again, I'm not saying that the Goons are deliberately trying to depopulate New Eden; as I've already stated, if the number of new players that the Goons attract does not exceed the number they cause to leave, EVE will eventually become unprofitable to operate.

It may not be deliberate, but that's beside the point, which is:

We study the Goons because their actions are confusing, irrational and illogical. Much like most of New Eden on most days. ;)


Anyone who quits over something we did would have quit over some other bad thing that would have happened to them.



Now that i can agree on.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#139 - 2013-06-03 16:57:30 UTC
Dion Cranes wrote:
There Time will come where they disapear from the Map,just like every big Corp/Alliance befor them.


Sorry, you already missed that time, we're back now.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
JackknifedII
The Congregation
RAPID HEAVY ROPERS
#140 - 2013-06-03 17:11:39 UTC
Goons don't care what you think, and only care (to any degree) about other goons.

And it's worth remembering that Goonwaffe is an outside community that plays eve, not a bunch of eve players who joined a forum. So there are in jokes and well established ways of communicating, it's an established community before eve even comes into the equation.

The rest of the goonswarm corporations however, I can't speak for those hillbillies.

But yeah, goons are awesome. Sign up today, for a modest fee ofc.

Minmatar....we are generally unpleasant to be around....

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