Jita Park Speakers Corner

For those who babble about fear of change:

here is my constructive suggestion, including screenshots and use case.


This is the kind of reasonment we users wish to see behind change: that is a change that makes sense and improves the experience starting now.

Yes. Let's not forget that.

I love how CSM is representing CCP in this thread. Wait - who were they supposed to represent?

A significant number of the player base was negatively impacted by this and we get "meh" from CSM.

At the very least CSM should be working hard on getting to the bottom of where the CSM feedback/testing/advising process left the track.


The trips corrupt absolutely.

The new launcher is fine for me now, seems simple enough to log in my other accounts. The workaround was fine for the day I had to use it and it's good to know that its in the background if we need it.

I would be gutted if we did lose the animated log in screen art, not a deal breaker that would be cause me to rage quit and unsub obviously but I would be disappointed. Each new expansion, the first thing I would look forward to would be the new log in screen. Just a little taste of epic, is how I would describe it.

That workaround will probably not survive the Odyssey release. They've said they plan to get rid of it soon.

Do you really think they are designing a login screen that they hope most people will never see? I suppose if the problems continue they can leave it there with the current art, but I am betting they planned to get rid of it. Not sure they can roll it back in the code, as that's not something they seem to plan for.

My line of deductive reasoning was meant to show that CCP was planning to get rid of the "backdoor login screen" with Odyssey.

I agree that a sufficiently "iconic" char slection screen would be fine on that point. The first few minutes of the game are first impression time, and we've taken a step backward on that. I can live with that, but I don't think that's good for the game. I doubt that they'll have something ready for Odyssey unless they were already working on it before Guard's posting.

The multi-account problems affect me more.

Mind explaining the multibox thing? I can run multiple accounts just fine, so either people are completely blind and don't see the "switch user account" button, or it's something deeper than that.

A couple of accounts works, although I imagine people are frustrated that its different therefore more awkward for them. Loss of the logout button to automatically restart the client is a bit of a pain, but change user in the launcher then launch is alright I suppose.

I haven't tested this personally, since I've been using the direct exe instead of the launcher, but the reports were that the launcher only remembers the last 7 accounts used. So if you have more than 7, it becomes a pain as you have to type in the account name too at times. Serious pain for those heavy ISBoxers I would imagine, but honestly don't know what set ups those guys have. Most I've ever had up on my machine at once is 6. My high end machine was starting to creak a bit at that.

I do have more than 7 accounts, so loss of the direct exe launch without some changes would be cumbersome to me.

Biggest complaints was overhead for those people using multiple installations to keep all their data separate. I've seen some discussions with CCP devs trying to figure out why people do that, so they can make changes to accommodate in a single install and eliminate this practice.

I'm a Mac user, so I haven't personally seen it. I'm relaying what I've read, so season to taste with sodium chloride:

It's not a question of the launcher not supporting multiboxing at all--it does--it's a question of how well. Right now, for instance, I have three clones of the EVE install, with symlinks to the stuff that doesn't change between accounts, and separate files in separate folders for the stuff that does. These are made with the CCP-provided EVE Clonemaker AppleScript.

So, right now, if I want to launch all three accounts, I click three adjacent icons (or drag-select them all, then press Return). One (the main) pops up the current launcher, which downloads any needed patches (and which has worked well for me after some initial hiccups). The other two go straight to the client's login screen, with the account names remembered and focus on the password fields. So I just type the passwords and go on the two clones, and press 'PLAY,' then type in the password on the main. The launcher goes away.

From what I understand, even with fewer than 7 accounts, I have to fiddle with a dropdown list to get each account name, then click (not tab! WTF?) to give focus to the password field, then press PLAY, then wait for the instance to launch [edit: today's update apparently removes the delay--awesome!], then go back to the launcher, fiddle with the dropdown list, click (not tab!) to give focus to the password field, then press PLAY... That's not an improvement for my case, and there are people with far more complicated arrangements than mine. I only need one set of settings per character, for example, because I only play EVE on one computer. If I had a laptop with a much smaller screen and a much weaker graphics card, I'd probably want dedicated settings for those characters on that laptop, too.

Additionally, I'm concerned that a lot of the design around SSO features was done around the assumption that people mostly log in one, or maybe two, characters. It would be nice if I logged Dersen in, and I was auto-logged into EVE Gate, and the forums, and other services, as Dersen. But if I log in his Jita alt, I still want to log in to the Gate and the forums as Dersen, because the Jita alt exists to get around certain of the inconveniences of Dersen's residency in a wormhole. If I log into my industrial account, I may want to log in to the Gate with that account, but I'll still want to appear on the forums as Dersen. And again, I'm a fairly simple case. I post with my main. I don't have cyno and scouting alts for my jump freighter, because I don't have a jump freighter, or anything else that can jump or bridge.

It would not take much asking around in your own alliance to find people with far more complex use cases than mine. Hit up Unforgiven Storm; he's posted a few. Even you made a conscious choice to switch to mynnna on the forums for your CSM run, but does that reflect an overall change to mynnna and away from Corestwo? Or what about the tactical use of your hauler alt on the forums (which you seem not to use much any more, but it was not so long ago that you were)?

tl;dr: CCP Atropos came right out and said, in Test Server Feedback, that the launcher did not address a number of multiboxing use cases. This is true. It doesn't even address the relatively simple ones more elegantly than the older solution of launching the client directly. That, and there are infuriating little things like the voodoo behavior of the account and password fields depending on exactly how you give them focus.

I think it's fair to say that from CCP's point of view getting everything on a SSO system and laying the ground work for a better way to log in multiple accounts is more important that the log in screen graphic.

While I understand the logic in this, I too would like to see something fancier than a loading bar. I think Soundwave agrees... especially since he is the one talking about the "war on loading screens".