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Agree with this. Leave rigs alone. Just finished some testing. Couldn't really see any difference that make me overcome my complete happiness with what I already fly (Amarr and Minmatar). Gallente buffs simply meh. I need to go see how a hurricane will do with the new Hail. I haven't checked to see yet if that change has been applied.

thanks for another Minnie buff CCP. i guess? cuz thats what we needed.

while I think it's interesting to push for more hybrid ammo buffage, i also think that many people in this thread are thinking about this the wrong way.

there's a certain point at which we need to agree that we want ship diversity, and that hybrids should be balanced to do something particular, and do it will, rather than to just demand that they be able to do what other guns can. So, I actually disagree that range is what we need, we need damage, tracking and ease of fitting on blasters, and give up on the idea of their being useable in fleets. Make them hard to get in range, but epic in dps, for smaller fights, and then just buff rail tracking/dps until they can pick up the slack and cover medium ranges. web bonuses give me a boner.

similarly, we do need to figure out cladari hybrid platforms, and what can be done with them that keeps them substantively different from gellente hybrid platforms, because until caldari hybrid platforms have dronebays and damage bonuses they will always be worse at the whole "Antimatter slugger" thing then gal. so what do we want them to do? be the same? and if not, then what? design them from the ground up as railgun ships? well, that's what we already have. design them to be epic when using null? well, there's a cool idea.

finally, i'm not certain that I want to see the active armor rep bonus go. sorry, everyone. i love a triple rep hyperion. i love double rep and triple rep myrmidon. and i think that anyone who advocates those bonuses being applied to incoming RR are complete imbeciles. While some of those ships may need buffs, whether it be more agility or better hybrids or better base shield HP or resists or better armor resists or armor reps getting their HP at the beginning of the cycle or WHATEVER, but I don't think we should give up on that bonus.

ps i saw someone in this thread make a comment about amarr being overshadowed/outperformed by minmatar. never say that amarr pilots have it rough. we don't. amarr are in no need of buffing as a shipline (although i will admit that legion bites) because lasers are totally epic and we have no shortage of drones or utility highs or low slots or armor resist bonuses or neut bonuses.

+1billion

Active tanking in general needs looks at. Changing the rep bonus to


might be a start. Changing the penalty for active armour rigs (and only active rigs, not Trimarks) to something else might help; pg/cpu/cap use of reps, agility maybe. I get that you're supposed to be trading off speed tank for other types of tank, but losing range control at the same time is a killer. Maybe a sig radius penalty...?

I'm not fond of the shield tanking solution. It'd require reworking the slot layouts of most of the Gallente lineup, and would screw over any Gallente pilot who hasn't cross-specced into armour. I think we should at least try to make the current paradigm work before we burn it down and start over.

I don't want to EFT warrior, so I'm not going to comment on the changes so far until I've actually tested them... but I do think a (small) DPS buff to blasters or a nerf to ACs (and maybe pulses at short range) might be warranted. Something to give the greens a real edge in point blank damage output.

We better not let that happen, ccp please take a look a this guys contribution, he points out all the good points, that really need to be taken a look at, fixing hybrids will be a bigger work then just fixing afew stats here and there, they been left alone for so long that it'll take a bit of work getting them back on track now.

No offense, but in my opinion you got it all wrong.

The proposed changes won't do much good for blaster boats. They do not have significant difference in speed or damage. But they do lack firing range. How do one supposed to get in range of blasters to make some damage before destruction?

Okay, blasters are very short range weapons, blaster boats risk themselves by getting in this range. But is it worth the risk? It takes time while you catching someone and there's a chance you won't catch anybody. And if you do - you make damage which can't be exactly described as devastating.

And now compare it to the minmatar autocannon boats. You choose the damage type, you make some distance between you and your target, you can outrun your enemies.

Also, armor tanking and blasters do not fit for each other. It takes precious slots for damage mods, it further reduces your speed making it harder to make the damage which is not worth the risk. Take an autocannon-boat, you wouldn't risk a thing and still kill your target.

So blaster boats needs something which would make them worth of flying. Whether the change would be increasing damage/shipspeed, increasing firing range, changing tanktype from armor to shield or even maybe make some unique properties which would allow them to escape their enemies from short range distances - the change is needed.

Hello Tallest,

As you can’t yet tinker with ships/bonuses a'la 'Gallente MkII' () I’ll be as succinct as possible with thoughts regarding blasters:

1. Try iterating the tracking boost between values 20 % and 50% while nerfing the tracking on Null correspondingly.

2. Iterate the overload bonus from 15% to values between 30-50% (30% represents parity with an overloaded armour repairer).

3. Reduced fitting has slightly helped, opening up a couple more possible fits.

4. Cap usage – cap injectors still mandatory on the larger boats, but this does help the die-most and Thorax. Has nicely balanced out the cap usage on the Moros meaning you can actually take advantage of that ROF bonus.

5. Agility/speed changes are somewhat noticeable; 2 MWD cycles to get up to ¾ speed in my Megathron, albeit still far slower than back in its prime.

Much of what Mariner6 said earlier i do approve of.

Gallente Blaster boats commit 100% so yes they fight in scram/web/neut range. Because of this Gallente Blaster boats need to be made of sturdier stuff than they are now.
Boost armor RESISTS! not HP amount as that will affect performance. The Drake is a tech1 BC yet it has 5% to all Shield resists per lvl. Apply some of the same thoughts to gallente boats.

and as much as some people are wanting a switch from armor to shield tanking for gallente, i really still feel gallente should stay armor tanky!

Also im unsure of this but i believe gallente ships should have either a buff to cap capacity or a buff to cap regen to make them more resilient in neut range compared to other platforms.
Making hybrids less cap intensive is a buff to all ships that want to use hybrids. Gallente ships should be built to withstand the cap intensive nature of hybrids a LOT more than other ships!

Also T2 Hybrid ammos need more love as been said previously!
Hail defintiely needs a 50% to optimal and falloff.
Void still needs a damage bonus more than it has so far.

in general Gallente's secondary bonuses should be considered to be web range if anything, for example 10% per lvl to range, NOT to velocity factor! even with a domination web ur not getting to max t2 point range and ur not encroaching on rapiers range territory.
Yet it WILL actually bring some level of catch it kill it to gallente design.

1) TY for reducing the charge size \0/ 80 large void per gun is nice.
2) maybe reduce the reload time to 5 secs(or none at all)?
3) maybe buff the damage on void & null slightly(yes, I know it has been, but blasters should do epic short range damage hello)

Off topic regarding the Talos----> maybe decrease the cpu requirement slightly.

My sisi initial Talos fit :8 large T2 neutrons, 2 T2 Webs, 1 meta 4 mwd, 1 TC2, 1 DC2, 2 T2 EANMs, 1 1600mm plate, 1 Reactive plating left me with just 1 cpu left \0/ nice and tight! :)