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I'm not sure if it's been answered, but what happens to my presumably now useless archaeology V etc? Are the use of these skills now being changed since I presume they don't affect the outcome of the hacking game?

Also I'm not sure about the multiple cans dropping and expiring before you can pick them up unless you have more than one character. Last time I ran some, radar and mag sites weren't exactly a fountain of isk and dividing it into two will hurt.

Because of living in null, two questions seem of importance to me:
-How long time of completion, for the hardcore sites?
-Will it be still luck pending, no matter your skill or experience?

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I played Deus Ex: HR
I've been exploring for a while now
I've tested the hacking game in its curent state

The hacking game is a more complicated Deus Ex hacking game. It takes certainly longer as it hasn't been implemented with time constraints in mind. And exploration ships are not exactly good at PvP, nor at combat.

So my sensible approach is to scan while cloaked, get in, hack, and GTFO ASAP. That, in "high" security space.

Spend 10 minutes struggling with the hacking game while anyone can instapop me with a destroyer it's not exactly a pleasant tought. This is the way EVE does things, of course, but then as I said, EVE gameplay is not bound to be sensible nor soloable.

Lootable "treasure chests" would allow explorers like me follow their standard procedure of get in & get out ASAP. Also, bad hackers still could profit by selling the containers rather than botch them. And of course, everyone would dream of looting a top-tier "omega" container, and sell it to the dedicated corporations with hackers skilled enough to succesfully open them -or skill himself to open it on his own.

What wouldn't happen would be noobs instapoped in their first attempt and giving a f*** to the mini game that distracted them from their safety; what would not happen would be nullbears reaping profits for their safety networks; what would not happen would be 30 to 1 l33t blobbing of busy explorers; what would not happen would be sensible players avoiding a minigame that essentially paints a giant bullseye on them for 10 minutes for a miserable reward; and so and so.

What would not happen is everyhting that makes EVE a miserable game for soloers for no reason at all.

And you know what? I bet thet the whole "lootable containers that could be hacked offsite" idea was forwarded at least once, as someone was aware that forcing explorers to remain in site while struggling with the minigame was a gratuitous risk. And then every smartass around said "HTFU!" and the current "stay here to die" minigame was born.

There's nothing anyone can do about it, but at least i give myself the satisfaction of talking about the path to success that was devotely avoided because EVE is not about doing stuff in a sensible nor soloable way.

Better have only 25% of all potential hackers, than actually give a chance to players who don't exactly fit into EVE. CCP wants few but chosen players, and with multiple accounts each, of course.

yes let us design all things around people who whine on the forums constantly that there are other people in this mmorpg

I apologize for saying it, but that's CCP code for "never." You guys have improved a lot of areas, but re-iterating initial implementations is not really one of them. Or at least that's my impression. I have examples, too: POS revamp, factional warfare revamp, the stupid Pilot Headquarters room with the stupid door, actually walking in stations.

So yeah, thanks for a feature, I guess, whatever.

OK, I'm going to add my 2 cents 'coz this is the place to do it. Some of my preferences/ Impressions have already been suggested and stated by others. Thats fine. I'm not claiming originality - just adding my voice to the areas that I hope CCP may see a trend developing and ammend their plans accordingly.


I'm an explorer. It's why I started to play EVE. It had nothing to do with actual mag/radar sites. It had to do with a gloriously huge universe that was there for me to roam. (I'm the sort of guy who was actually a bit disappointed to find the star map already had everything surveyed in detail for me!) I have since moved pretty much full time into scanning down sites and I make a modest income from it. While I was initially ecstatic to hear of the "Exploration" emphasis in Odyssey I have to admit I have since become a little underwhelmed and even view the upcoming expansion with a little trepidation. The reasons are primarily as follows:


A) I'm all for a game of skill to represent Hacking / Archeological expertise, perhaps one that recieves bonus abilities with our pre-existing field Tech levels...but a game of brute luck is hard to stomach. I may as well simply just be opening the can. I will reserve judgement until I finally get to play the mini game on Odysseys release - but the insights this forum thread has provided do not fill me with optimism.



B) I'm reticent about the loss of site rewards due to the flinging of hacked loot into the cosmos- but it's something I will again reserve final judgment upon until I see how it effects my actual enjoyment and game immersion. I may well be able to live with it depending on what the loot actually is - but I quarantee you this - I will henceforth only ever return from data/relic sites with the amount of loot that a single player can reasonable retrieve. It is a nonsense to believe that any of my corp buddies would enjoy can chasing with me. We enjoy running DED plexs together, we enjoy mining together but exploration is something I do alone.

C) Much has been said about "emergent" gameplay here. I'm not seeing it. I don't find it "Emergent" that Grav sites, are no longer an exploration site per se. Surveying systems and pinpointing grav sites for my Corp was, until now ,one of the singular roles that I as a dedicated explorer / surveyist could bring to my corp. Rather than enrich my exploration experience by having others share it with me (can chasing!) I fear Odyessy may well have made me redundant an no longer a useful member of my corp.



D) Finally, not that this observation can or will change anything that is to come in Odyssey - I'm not seeing any real exploration. That was the promise of Odyssey as such. You explore to discover, you research to uncover, you hack to retrieve data. Yes. The loot is all important here and I don't mean its ISK value. You know, I still run every Mag site I scan down even if the rewards are miniscule. I do it because I still get a thrill everytime I get a skill book. Ive gotten them all a million times now. Somewhere in me is still the vain and vague hope that I'll find some book, some scrap of information that will reveal the EVE universe in a new light to me. It still amazes me that a game so sophisticated as EVE is in so many ways still finds itself struggling to bring its own lore to life in game. Why amn't I picking up readable (sellable/collectable!) copies of the chronicles in relic sites? why aren't Data sites giving me hints of reasons why I should go to that far off planet and see it as something other than just another generic globe? Where is the "sense of wonder" that was touted as an inspiration for the expansion?


Anyway thats my 2 cents, and my impressions of what may be to come for the new expansion ...I'm hoping it's not as procedural as it sounds but I cannot deny I don't view it with excitement like I want to - but unease. I sincerely hope I've gotten it all wrong.

This happens already: since a site that's ran respawns elsewhere, little-trafficked places accumulate signatures while well-trafficked places tend to be fairly barren.

Something like it happens already, but there are a number of disanalogies with my proposal:
1. The respawn mechanic is still currently random--a site run in system S still goes through the RNG and could respawn in S, as far as I know. You are right that sites tend to accumulate in systems with little traffic, but I've only really seen this happen much on very busy days. And if you talk to most experienced HS-4/10 farmers, the pile-up result does not happen to such a degree as to make it profitable to actively go out and seek those systems.
2. My proposal, further, keeps sites from spawning (much) in active systems in the first place.

However, there are many other ways to improve respawn mechanics to make exploration more exploration-y, so maybe someone can think of better ways.

We did get one great update to PI, changing from a mess of multiple extractor clickfest upon release, to a more centralized UI. So there's hope.

But now that I'm reminding myself of a clickfest that got improved... can the scattering loot containers be added to overview? I didn't see an option to do this, when I right-clicked on them.