Player Features and Ideas Discussion

ability to warp on grid with the cloaked ship and having it on dscan means pretty certain catch of it.


since you are after afk cloakers this doesnt matter. warp on grid with interceptor + second ship, assign drones to interceptor, burn toward the cloaked ship using your dscan, after couple of minutes you will have him decloaked. -> Too powerful and practically removes afk cloakers from the game, which isnt ok at all. Afk cloakers are required to keep balance with local as intel.

this is the core point we disagree in. You arent taking a risk when hiding in POS forever or dock forever, cloak is something similar.
You should be able to afk cloak whereever you like assumed you're doing it on safe spot and not 2.5km off gate,
there is no reason no to be able to do it apart of ratters who are afraid of harmless afking neutrals in free for all space.

See, you are deliberately ignoring the key point.

You know they are stalking you. So, you can avoid them, or you can be prepared for them if they attack.
All because you know they are in the system with you.
Advantage, you.

Only downside, they know you are in the system too, so if they actually are stalking you they can keep track of you really easily.
But if you have SOV, then you have POS's and outposts to take shelter in.
Advantage, you.
If you want to avoid combat, it is up to you.

Funny, it's not the cloak that is spreading around this intel so quickly and flawlessly.

Are you sure you have identified the real problem here?

I think you are overestimating what I suggest here. First off, the modules must be bought and mounted, not many ships will be able to do this - especially not carebear types. This would be a combat ship only system.

Even if you have a ship set to do this, the DScan isn't perfect. A system wide scan can produce a lot of false readings plus, not every cloaked ship is a direct danger. The progression after introduction of this will go from players running away at any sign of a signature to getting jaded thinking that its a false reading or that it is just an explorer and no threat to them. Players themselves can also work to accelerate this complacency. As you might recall if you at least scanned through the thread, I mentioned the possibility of decoys that'll produce a false reading. If you want to run a gank operation in a certain system, set it up for a couple days or hours by sneaking in, peppering the system with the decoys until your targets don't bother with them. The hunting players wouldn't be able to figure out they were decoys until they scanned them down sufficiently (just like exploration scanning where you have to go from max (32AU) to min (0.25AU) to pick up some signatures. You'd have to go from 360 degree scan at max range down to maybe 10-15 degree scan with a max range of, at most, 25km.

As far as a "problem" - I didn't post this as something to solve a problem. Cloaks aren't a "problem" to me. However, I do think that a mechanic that allows hunting a cloaked ship could make for very interesting game play and could go a long way towards shutting up the easy button solutions that are posted about cloaking.

If there is a problem with cloaking, it would be the inconsistency within the game itself. Being in close proximity to an object decloaks you. It stands to reason that there should be a method to force a decloak using the same principle. The logical idea there would be some sort of large blast. That was the original idea, but I thought it funny to think about players carpet bombing entire grids to force decloaks. The lag created would suck, too. So, I thought about anti-submarine warfare and even deer hunting. NPCs can also decloak you just by targeting you, another inconsistency.

Something tells me that a lot of the detractors in this thread would be among the first cloak hunters if CCP did something like this.

Possibly, but I qualify that with two details.

One, I am primarily a miner. I want my competition to struggle more than glancing at local to compete with me.
That means yes, as a PvE player I want cloaked vessels and regular ships to be more effective hunters.
It is simply in my best interest.

Two, while your system is creative, I find it needlessly complex. I prefer my own "No-Local" solution which uses a mirror of cloaking hardware and skills, since I believe that has better balance potential.

I think if I re-distilled it, it wouldn't be that complex. Right now it has developed over many posts thanks to input from detractors. Always the best kind even if its unintended. :)

The no-local solution works if you perceive cloaking/local as problems. Its probably the simplest fix to make a lot of players happy. But, Eve is social too. I think more players than not would be pretty ticked off if local goes away. More because they can't shoot the breeze than for the intel it can provide.

This isn't a solution so much as it is an enhancement. A logical one at that. As soon as cloaking was discovered, you know the militaries would be searching fervently for a way to hunt the cloaked ships. They wouldn't be complaining about no cap drain or timers.

Why would we do that? I've already said cloaks are balanced, they also have counters.

What problem are you trying to solve here?

The counters are as follows:
You can decloak them.
They cannot recloak while you are within decloak range and while they are locked.

Just because these counters are not to your liking, doesn't mean that cloaks need more. Cloaks are balanced, you seem to what to remove that balance.

Why is pointing out the counters, funny exactly? Like I said, just because counters are not to your liking, doesn't mean we need more. Then we of course have yet to name all the disadvantages cloaks have.

We already have balance, what your asking for breaks that.

So you have no basis for which to make the suggestion. There is no issue of balance, countering other forms of game play...nothing. It is a suggestion that is just tossed out there without any consideration of its overall impact on the game.

Is that a fair representation of the above quote? Seems fair to me.