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[Odyssey] T1 Frigate Polish Pass and Naglfar fix

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Hagika
Standard Corp 123
#421 - 2013-04-28 21:12:00 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:
androch wrote:
even with a damage bonus you still handicap the naglfar to do less damage than its 3 turreted counterparts in what way do you consider this a fair exchange?


Did you just fall from a stupid tree?




He fell off it, then it fell on him.
Hagika
Standard Corp 123
#422 - 2013-04-28 21:17:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Hagika
androch wrote:
just drop the damage bonus and give it a third turret, removing the missiles is a halfassed fix


Oh sweet Jesus, you just dont get it.. It has 2 turrets after change, they are dropping the launchers and giving it a damage bonus as if you have 3 turrets.

Sooooooo.....You spend less on ammo and fittings and are getting near the same dps as a moros which has less range and with Arts you are not far from Phoenix alpha.

You are seriously getting the better end of the deal over everyone. Yet you are here complaining and dont even realize the changes.
Reavant
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#423 - 2013-05-01 02:24:31 UTC
Luscius Uta wrote:
I don't have anything to comment about frigate changes, but the way you fixed the issue with Naglfar seems like just hiding stuff under the carpet to me. Of course, it would be perfect if Naglfar had 3 turret slot like all other dreads. Are your graphical designers too lazy to change the ship's model to accomodate this? But you changed the Megathron model some time ago, even though it wasn't an ugly ship.

However, I wouldn't mind having split weapon systems on Naglfar it if its launcher slots had any bonus, in that case I would change ship's bonuses to this:

10% to capital projectile turret damage (or rate of fire) per level
10% to citadel missile explosion velocity per level

Also, siege module should have its penalty to explosion velocity removed. You already did the same with tracking. Penalties to scan resolution and number of lockable targets are also rather annoying.

On a related note, capital turrets have rather pathetic sounds, way underwhelming for such devastating weapons of mass destruction.



They already tried to do split bonuses.

You should have seen that shitstorm, it was cataclysmic.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#424 - 2013-05-01 09:03:46 UTC
Just wanted to know where the Capital Blapping will be taking place, and if I can bring my Bellicose or no.

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Deerin
East Trading Co Ltd
#425 - 2013-05-03 15:21:30 UTC
Bumping the thread to get some attenion on most useless t1 frig: Vigil.

PLEASE make it useful again. A decent drone bay maybe. Or some sort of bonus to its launchers.....or both?
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#426 - 2013-05-03 15:31:53 UTC
Deerin wrote:
Bumping the thread to get some attenion on most useless t1 frig: Vigil.

PLEASE make it useful again. A decent drone bay maybe. Or some sort of bonus to its launchers.....or both?



Im guessing they are purposely keeping the vigil as long range TP so they can buff the Hyena to be quite aggressive .. at least i hope so e-war frigs need to be more than expensive T1 ewar frigs slightly buffed.
They should have an aggressive dps feel to them well the Hyena and sentinel at least .. kitsune/keres could use ranged weapons more like drones and missiles.

'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?  ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high

Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#427 - 2013-05-07 08:01:10 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
What about the Phoenix's split weapon system? It can only use a single unbonused turret - it has to jam pointless citadel launchers into the other two highslots.


Quote:
The single turret slot has been removed from the Phoenix.


Oh great. What use is a dreadnought with zero turrets? Are we supposed to fit three heavy neuts?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#428 - 2013-05-07 08:43:54 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
Gypsio III wrote:
What about the Phoenix's split weapon system? It can only use a single unbonused turret - it has to jam pointless citadel launchers into the other two highslots.


Quote:
The single turret slot has been removed from the Phoenix.


Oh great. What use is a dreadnought with zero turrets? Are we supposed to fit three heavy neuts?

No, you're supposed to use the ship for what it's still very good at, which is structure bashing. It's also still able to fully apply its dps to supercapitals even when they're moving, and regular capital ships when they aren't.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#429 - 2013-05-07 09:49:40 UTC
I think that's a courageous use of the term "very good". I appreciate that it has no real trouble applying its DPS to sieged/triaged capitals, but its DPS is so poor that there's no reason to use it in this role.
Josilin du Guesclin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#430 - 2013-05-07 12:42:22 UTC
Applied DPS is poor, and citadel torp ammo costs three times as much, per minute of firing, as blasters and autocannons pay. Cruise Missiles cost 50% more than Rail ammo, and triple Arty ammo.
Hagika
Standard Corp 123
#431 - 2013-05-08 04:58:03 UTC
My guess is that he has never used it. It is the least use dread in the game. Surely its because of the amazing dps it does and how its such a great ship.
Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#432 - 2013-05-08 11:53:54 UTC
Returning to T1 frigs for abit, I think someone else mentioned it in the thread but the minor tweak in cap isn't going to make the Punisher more useable, right now its problem is it has no range control and thus everything can kite it, what it needs is an optimal range bonus over it's damage bonus which will allow it to project really far which will go along way to help it's lack of range control, to compensate for the loss of damage bonus, it should gain another turret and the fitting to fit another turret, that would make it an awesome tank n gank brick with excellent projection.
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#433 - 2013-05-08 16:00:16 UTC
Hagika wrote:
My guess is that he has never used it. It is the least use dread in the game. Surely its because of the amazing dps it does and how its such a great ship.


Well, let's be fair, the volley damage and burst tank are great, and the ~58 km range on torps is vaguely useful for sitting next to a POS and whacking mods on its other side, while other dreads have to load a long-range ammo. This is presumably the source of JAK's "great at structure-bashing comment", but since a triple-TC Moros outdamages a torp Phoenix at all ranges, I may have that inference all wrong.
Deerin
East Trading Co Ltd
#434 - 2013-05-11 19:36:30 UTC
Bump:

Take look at vigil please. Needs some tender love.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#435 - 2013-05-12 00:17:00 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Returning to T1 frigs for abit, I think someone else mentioned it in the thread but the minor tweak in cap isn't going to make the Punisher more useable, right now its problem is it has no range control and thus everything can kite it, what it needs is an optimal range bonus over it's damage bonus which will allow it to project really far which will go along way to help it's lack of range control, to compensate for the loss of damage bonus, it should gain another turret and the fitting to fit another turret, that would make it an awesome tank n gank brick with excellent projection.


I like this but if you take the damage bonus away you'll just get people returning to AC punishers. How dare they sully th image of the punisher by putting AC's on them!!!

I usaully fit mine with tracking rigs as I can hit anywhere in scram range with a quick crystal swap but tracking is bad with pulses compared to AC/hybrids so people like to get under them. Not had anyone gt under my guns in a long time. Had a few run away though. Twisted

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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#436 - 2013-05-13 16:58:19 UTC
Follow up for the Nag change (as well as the Phoenix) that dread producers will want to note:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3020865

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Letrange
Chaosstorm Corporation
#437 - 2013-05-13 17:55:34 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:

...
TRISTAN:
+15 Veloity
-150000 Mass
-0.48s Align time
...


Um... WTF is Veloity? I didn't realize we had bicycles in EVE?
Ines Tegator
Serious Business Inc. Ltd. LLC. etc.
#438 - 2013-05-16 01:39:18 UTC
Taoist Dragon
I like this but if you take the damage bonus away you'll just get people returning to AC punishers. How dare they sully th image of the punisher by putting AC's on them!!!

I usaully fit mine with tracking rigs as I can hit anywhere in scram range with a quick crystal swap but tracking is bad with pulses compared to AC/hybrids so people like to get under them. Not had anyone gt under my guns in a long time. Had a few run away though. [:twisted wrote:

Except the range bonus won't be to AC's?

Also, remember that to lasers, a range boost is also a DPS boost. The farther away you can use multifreq, the better your applied DPS will be. A modest (say, 5% per level) optimal bonus on the punisher is exactly what it needs. The alternative is to make it 3/3/4, which is way too similar to other frigates and boring.

Overhaul Dscan!
Shingorash
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#439 - 2013-05-16 12:10:59 UTC
They should just change the Phoenix and Leviathan to use Blasters, would make things much easier...
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#440 - 2013-05-16 13:07:35 UTC
I think the tormentor should trade the damage bonus for a rof, to make it more like a mini omen

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