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Deep space probes are a part of the game already. You may think of them as easy mode, and they may give a easy full scan of a system, but you still have to launch them, and hide them, if you're doing so, and you still have to sort through it. Not that any of this is hard, but it's not as easy as this system overlay. If this overlay worked like a DPS probe, you'd have all this info when you jumped into a wormhole, before you even had to drop jump cloak. That's easy mode. DPSs are a tool. A tool used by a lot of experienced players. If you want to remove DPSs, fine, do so, but keep the system scanner as it is, if not remove it too. Don't replace them with something easier. Just remove them, make it actually hard.

CCP seem to be forgetting that what makes EvE eve as aptly pointed out in the keynotes by the boss himself is that the UNINTENDED STUFF THAT HAPPENS IS WHAT MAKES EvE GREAT , the Jetcan totally amazing BUT unintended, DSP´s totally unintended intel gathering but so widely used now, so following the logic Jetcan days are numbered.

CCP did stuff, players found other stuff it could also do that was far more useful

Grav sites visible, well why not get rid of all asteroid belts NOW like the Ice belts, but leave non resident ore belts as only probable as present, that seems far more logical and along the development of the game than the current abortion.

yeah the mini hacking games, how about a blog detailing how the fk they work, its like a tablet game designed for a cat at present, takes up too much space , No Inventory loot button on open cargo at archaeology site cans and
System hack failed Loot jettison imminent, so is loot meant to appear in space?

more to come...

Pretty much. Unless you've got local.

Wait, what. In the quote above you demanded that DSPs should only be removed when the overlay does exactly what they do now. Now you are saying that you don't want that. I'm sorry, I think I missed something. I'm ot a native English speaker, sorry.

The current system overlay scanner only shows that there is a signature and what seems like a very rough estimate on it's position. A WH scout can, with some little effort, check for new signatures to warn his corpmates in sites of possible new connections. Maybe CCP will reconsider and offer a (automatic?) list view (which I would approve) of the results. Or the scout just uses combat scanners, http://www.tigerears.org/2012/11/25/how-to-perform-a-blanket-scan-of-a-w-space-system-2/ is a very handy guide for using them to cover a system without being seen.

Overall I think with the iterations proposed (8th probe, drop probes one-by-one, have a list-view of sigs back) scanning is on a good way to be more fun.

Speaking as a player who does wormholes and pretty much nothing else, here's my .02 isk...

I like:
- being able to launch multiple probes at once
- being able to click one button to get them into a preset formation
- having modules for midslots to boost scanning abilities, though I think they may be somewhat overpowered and they render the Astrometrics support skills far less useful
- the new look of the scan progress meter

I dislike:
- HAVING to launch multiple probes at once, though reading back it looks like this is already being addressed
- not being able to set my own preset formation, especially with mixed probe types (see next line)
- not having deep space probes anymore :( 4 deeps and 4 combats was a great way to scan
- the fact that Astrometrics V is pretty pointless now, if you're taking deep space probes away and giving massive bonuses available through midslot modules.

I have mixed emotions about:
- making grav/ore sites show up with anoms. I've got nothing against giving the gankers a treat, but this will reduce wormhole mining, which reduces targets available in those wormholes, which makes me sad :( Also seems like this will make botmining easier in kspace.
- altering the behavior of shift-drag and alt-drag for probes. moving all probes at once by default is ok, just takes some getting used to, but it feels a bit too much like "push buttan receive sigs" now. Dear god, am I becoming a bitter vet?

It seems that the logical progression here is that info from the overlay and 'the list' are going to end up being somehow combined, and available both in space and solar system views (and possibly the overview), since operating in two seperate systems is slow, counter intuitive and just a bit of a mess. My worry here is that instant intel becomes available by watching said list. While I don't think icons in space are any sort of replacement for a collated and concise list view (really? we need more stuff cluttering up space?), it does slow down the noticing of new sigs (which is obviously even more hand-holding than actively having to scan stuff - something I'm not really thrilled about).

Assuming that all this info is going to be combined and available in the final product, are there any plans in place to slow down the delivery of new sigs? Make no mistake, this is going to be a game changer for w-space. While I understand you wanting to attract new players and keep them around, know that null and w-space tends to be where players end up, and radically changing the dynamics there will impact both new and old players in the long run. Please, tread carefully and consider the long term implications.

The time value is a property of the launcher and, yes, it works exactly the way you think it would/exactly the way deviation does.

What about being able to detect ships from 256au and the ships won't know you know they are around? These are great for large systems in wormholes. If the combat probes can replace this function i am fine with the dsp being gone. The new overlay doesn't give you ships so being able to keep tabs on a system from long range is gone. Was this an oversight or are we intended to have a bunch of combat probes out and hope no one sees them on dscan?

If the combat probes can go above 64 au and not go directly to the sun but placed before first scan, i'm sure i can make something work for this. It just makes it a lot more work when the dsp covered this feature.

The probes still appear around your ship, you can easily check that on your overview.

I can appreciate the changes made to link all the probes together, despite being someone who actually enjoys the current scanning process, as it removes some of the perceived tedium of resolving multiple signatures across many systems.

However, scanning probes are not used only for resolving signatures but also for hunting ships. And scanning in a hunt is much more of an art, as practice culminates in being able to resolve your target with just a single scan. But the way the probes all move together in the new scanning interfaces rather interferes with the process detailed here: http://www.tigerears.org/2012/04/17/how-to-hunt-in-w-space-using-d-scan/.

The floating probe boxes are used as datum points in the system map in conjunction with d-scan to get a good range and bearing of the target to be resolved in one scan. It looks like it may be possible to do the same with the new interface, but with all the probes clustered together it could get messy, particularly with all of those range spheres so close to each other. And moving one probe out of the cluster is more fiddly than it was, and then moving all of the others too could be painful, particularly if a datum probe gets moved accidentally, perhaps by simply changing its range.

Here is my request: please add an option to unlink all currently launched probes.

A toggle option would be good, to link and unlink probes, so that they all move together or can be moved/resized independently. The cluster looks to be a time-saver for working through a system's signatures (even if it may be simplifying the process a little too much), but there are occasions when probes need to be shifted around individually. It would be definitely be harmful to w-space life if this option were not available.