Science & Industry

.... now I like ya Fozzie :-P

I have a perspective I'd like to give out atm. Right now I am one of the logistic's guys in a wormhole corp. We spend "Literally" a ton of time just hauling in either fuel blocks, or the materials needed to make fuel. Now yes, it sucks to some degree, but that is the apple we've bitten off.

Now I do understand (I guess I do) the reasons why to not put icebelts in wormholes (k-space interaction, etc). I don't think that the concept has been explored enough. Couldn't icebelts be spawned in wormhole space that has no Moons?

Aka, couldn't a set amount of wormholes be created (c1-c5), that have no moons to anchor a POS at, and that spawn ice? So people could not anchor a tower there, but they could bring in orca's, barges, exhumers to mine in a connecting wormhole that has ice, but no moons. It would be temporary endeavors, would spawn a bit more exploration (searching for the ice holes), and cause more conflict? Since the ice wormhole can't anchor a pos, people would have to move the stuff back and forth between holes. It would be "Temporary", and the mass limit's on the connecting holes themselves would cause some interesting events.

I'm curious if this would be a viable experiment, as this would be another area where ice could be mined, as well as a good possible location of conflict.

If you really want to drive people nuts, make the ice wormholes huge (greater than 256 au). You'd have people literally falling over each other., random ganks going on, people trying to find connecting holes, probes everywhere, dscan ships flying back and forth, localized conflicts with ships. People trying to roll connecting holes to close it, or to trap the miner's in the icebelts.. etc.

The concept above causes the following. Yes there would be a bunch of new wormholes that spawn ice. THere would be no moons in it to drop POS's (NO POS's in these holes). It would cause more organized groups of people to mine the stuff out. It would make wormhole mining a bit more "interesting" and cause some more cohesion within the groups. With the changes Ice harvesters (speed), it would make ice mining a little less "Painful", and also if the holes are THAT large, it would allow the pvp fleets, at least in some way, to not require the ships to constantly fit a cloak, would cause groups to be off grid, scouts to do other things, etc.

It would create a new market, but might also alleviate a little stress some people are having with the whole ice changes.

Just an idea.

Thank you for the reply. Till then, I'll just keep on Truck'in.

Um, supply is infinite but its limited to the number of people who mine ice right? There are tons of belts in nullsec that are barely touched, why do we need to be under the same system that seems to be targeted at empire?

I can understand the idea of not having two separate systems to code but can we get different tiers of ice in a belt with reduced respawn timers? For instance x units and 4 hour respawn for high sec, x * 50% units and a 2 hour respawn for lowsec, and x * 100% units and no respawn timer (will respawn though) for null?

If increased risk = increased reward, why is ice mining having a blanket change like this?

Obviously off topic but the post from trucker and Fozzie got me dreaming.

The idea of a "HUB" wormhole is quite nice. Larger system with more then you average wormhole connections that would connecting many entities together almost like a "wormhole arena". No moons for POSes and specific PvE content to try to drive conflict, (high yield ice).

The wormholes that are attached to these systems could even allow larger amounts of mass to pass through them to aid in the invasion of entrenched w-space or made smaller so that entities are unable to entrench the system with capitals.

These systems would probably be more like the true W-space initially envisioned by the DEVs.

i like the concept of depleting ice spawns, but hate the idea of locust swarms in empire. though i spend most of my time in NPC null, having access to hi-sec ice belts helps offset the cost of running my towers. i'd be much more partial to some type of random spawn of the ice belts in hi-sec, so we actually had to explore for them in various systems. this would be much more in line with the theme of exploration as opposed to showing up at the know system and waiting for a timer.

the proposed ice mechanics do not make for very interesting content and will only serve to frustrate existing players instead of giving them something to look forward to. As many have stated before, we’re going to end up with a swarm of ice miners descending on existing ice systems waiting for their timers to reset. the overall change to ice mining will result in increased prices for ice products and place greater value on this activity, however, the mechanism for obtaining this valuable resource will be one of the most dull and unfun activities in game: waiting on timers. instead we should try to make the ice miners do something besides just mine ice. make them look for it or pay someone else to find it for them, as opposed to just waiting around in system for ice to spawn.

they're miners

they clearly like dull and unfun activities

perhaps some type of cosmic anomaly, like a stellar nursery or a proto-solar system. to keep things somewhat realistic, it should probably lack planets as well.

The sleepers consumed them (and the planets) with giant mining machines in order to build their endless fleets.

Instead of planets and moons, accretion disk around the star with clumps of matter that will eventually be planets and moons but at the moment are just knots of dust and gas that are far too unstable to put any form of station into orbit of.

Or the dead reminiscent of a solar system, one where the star's life ended recently (on the cosmic scale), with a level of violence that left its planets no more than broken chunks with unstable orbits.

so, just in case we meet at another date and another place, whats your safeword ?, just that i know, you know, just in case ...