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iirc this is less a ccp insists you not do this for game balance issue and more an "oh god eight year old spaghetti code that if we touch will break everything" preventing it

The thing me and my corp mates are most interested in is this, will these Ice anomalies include all the racial ice types rather than just the one we see in the belts of today, with the expectation of most of the racial ice is correct for the belt it is replacing in the various systems

I can see your point in as much as it means 0.0 can mass export to hisec, but this also dramatically increases the amount of logistics (time/cost/manpower etc.). This scales horribly if you're trying to encourage people to mine for their local POS networks etc.

Let's have a look at some numbers: ~ VERY conservative POS Network of 10 POSs for 30days
Fuel Blocks required: 216,000 (sov bonused 30blocks per hour)
Isotopes required: 2.16mil units
Heavy Water: 810k units
Liquid Ozone: 810k units

Ice Blocks required:
~ Dark Gitter ~= 540 blocks
~ Glare Crust ~= 540 blocks
~ 0.0 Ice ~= 6172 blocks

Uncompressed Volume: 7.25mil m3 or 21 Rhea Jumps or 20 Rorqual Jumps
Compressed Volume: 725k m3 or 3 Rhea Jumps or 2 Rorqual Jumps

These are very conservative numbers considering that Alliances/Corps in 0.0 often have ten times this size of POS networks.

Can I suggest some potential compromises then:

- Increase the isotopes yield of 0.0 isotopes ice so less ice blocks are required (HW - LO is currently fine imo)
- Increase the volume of the compressed ice and keep the Rorq:Hulk compression ratio the same (previously calculated @ 1:4.3). This way it will limit how much leaks to hisec but reduces the massive logistical cost for moving it locally. Not every sov holder is blessed with a Minmatar Refinery station in their ice systems....


I honestly don't know how much 0.0 ice is exported to hisec but it can't be much considering 94% of EvE's current needs is supplied by hisec, but uncompressed ice is pretty hard/expensive to move around in its current state.

So, grav sites will not have to be scanned down anymore, right?

Have you considered that there is completely no possible way to detect an attacker when you want to mine in a wormhole then?
Before you could at least keep an eye out for probes.

You'll always have the option of up to 72 offices in CCP-US if you fully upgrade, that should help with the overflow.




1) The numbers will be out on sisi soon anyways, so I'll go ahead and let you know that the high sec anoms contain 2500 units of their racial isotope ice.

2) We always reserve the right to adjust things as needed. Iteration and all those cool buzzwords.

3) No plans at this time

4) Bottlenecks are a tool for creating incentives in a virtual economy. My job isn't to remove them, it's to ensure they create interesting incentives.



I wasn't happy with the way the best truesec systems often missed out on good ice so each tier builds upon the one before instead of replacing. The best ice anoms found in the lowest truesec in all areas of space will contain all three non-racial ice types.

yes but it's like a dinner party the people slightly farther away at the less desirable table feel left out :argh:

oh well, the new offices everywhere nearby should help enough, thanks!

Welcome back Fozzie.

There are a number of people asking that you keep the grav sites as signatures (probable), as opposed to converting them to anomalies. I would like to give you two more reasons to avoid making the conversion. First the work to do this can be avoided, leaving happier players. Second, changing this now and then discovering the problems will only cause more difficulties in the future. Of course, the numerous reasons already listed are also important such as the problems that this causes for wormhole miners, a miner considering low sec, and some null sec miners.

I would also like to see the new ice sites as signatures, but keeping the grav sites is more important.

How do you feel about moving all the current static ore belts into the anomaly system in the same way you're doing for the ice belts?

P.S. Do it do it do it

Thank you for the reply, I do have some follow up.

By my notepad estimate that means each anom will have approx 23 mining hours worth of ice. While that number might seem large for a nullsec system, it is incredibly small for highsec especially for a resource that drives both industry and combat. As sisi is not a real test of the real world implications of this change I ask again can we have a firm commitment of a +x month review of the change. Normally I would not push this way but you must understand the serious and far reaching impact of the change and that it will need to be monitored closely.

Which leads me into the second part of the follow up. While I understand your desire to craft the game into your own vision that vision may not be what we, the customers want. I will not make the usual "omg ragequit" statements but personally I will be allowing most of my mining alts to lapse as I see the new system as taking change too far. The fact you are trying, in a most clumsy jack booted way, to force conflict where no conflict existed on people who are engaged in constructive actions is very much appreciated. I also find it worrying that CCP is not willing to intervene in the legal RMT market systems but are quite happy to hatchet into systems to create more demand for said RMT.

I like alot of what is happening in Odyssey, I love the idea of anomalies but I fear you are basically setting up the multi boxers as Kings of the Ice and removing the ability of single miners to compete.

While this is true... cloaking seemingly afk campers will become a lot more of a threat if the new grav sites become anomalies.

Stealthbombers don't normally carry probes, now they won't have to :/