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Currently, I am running a one-man-POS and have to grab all the fuel myself. At the moment, this is no problem as all the PI product can be gathered easily and the possibility to AFK mine ice enables me to run the computer for a few hours a week to get the necessary ice products. It is tideous work, but I enjoy the research at my POS and building stuff for my local mission hub.

However, with the changes about to be implemented I feel that it becomes virtually impossible for me to retain my POS. Not only can't I AFK-mine ice anymore, I also have to locate the belts first. As far as I can see, not a single high-sec ice anomaly will exists in the whole Khanid Kingdom region. How am I supposed to get the ice? Solo mine in low using a Mackinaw? How is that supposed to follow the risk/reward rule? I simply cannot defend myself there - not even against the NPC belt-rats. Using multiple account? Is that the way the game must be played now? One person - multiple accounts?

All the proposed changes do NOT make ice mining more interesting -- ice mining will become more like mining gravimetric asteroid belts in low sec. Is that fun for a one-man-mining-operation? No. Will I be able to retain my POS? No.

I do agree with CCP that some changes are needed to the whole ice-mining (and mining in general). However, in my opinion, these changes should promote the gameplay and actually introduce some fun in doing the mining. It should NOT make it impossible for solo-players to actually play the game the way they want. What about the sandbox? It is about to become a lot smaller for me.

No just because Dotlan says it does does not necessarily mean that it does.

I am quoting from the DEVBLOG!



None of the mentioned systems is in Khanid high-sec. Ergo, no high-sec anomalies.

Ah lol. Thanks for pointing it out.

Too bad its on the other side of Khanid for me.

Anyway, we have one system with anomalies for ice mining for a whole region. That still does not look good to me.

Which is something I do not understand. Sholudn't they make the "density in relation to space" constant, not the "number by empire"?

Because the highsec ice supply is being reduced to provide approx. 80% of the total ice usage, the racial ice types need to be of a similar number. Allowing the Amarr to keep their current number of ice belts would result in highsec being capable of supplying the entire Helium Isotope market, which is obviously not an option for this game design choice.

However, you do have a point in that more systems could have ice if they only have one belt per system.

Hey guys, I'm back from Fanfest and my day in bed starting the recovery from the Fanfest flu. I've read through the whole thread now. Thanks for all your feedback. I'm gonna start by answering a few common or important questions from the thread:


It's a typo, good catch. The numbers of slots for each level is correct, the change from old values numbers are wrong. It should be 3(+1), 5(+2), 7(+3). I'll get the blog fixed asap.


Currently approximately 94% of ice is mined in highsec.
For the people asking about supply in other areas of space, there are aproximately 8 lowsec/0.0 ice belts for every highsec belt, and those belts are a bit larger. This means I am not the least bit worried about us hitting the limit of our supply anytime soon.


This bug has already been fixed, staying in a belt will not keep it alive if all the asteroids are mined.


For the most part yes. As was stated in the dev blog:

To answer the question about wormholes, we are not currently planning to add moon minerals or ice to wormholes.

Ice because we do not want wormholes to be too self sufficient, the logistics of maintaining a starbase there is part of the gameplay.
Moon minerals because moons in wormholes are far too defensible, we do not want to place moon minerals in locations that make them that difficult to attack.

I want to make it clear that we are not intending these changes to force people into 0.0 or lowsec from highsec. Many people simply prefer the gameplay of highsec and that's fine. However we want to make sure that for those miners and industrialists that do want to move to nullsec, they have available opportunities that support their playstyle.

We are also taking care to design the changes so that they do not break highsec profitability. We have projections on how these changes impact the total supply of low-end minerals and we beleive that highsec mining will continue to be a worthwhile activity for those so inclined. The ice changes also mean that although people won't be able to afk mine all day, the time that they do spend ice mining (afk or otherwise) will be dramatically more profitable, allowing them to gain the same profit from fewer hours mining and spend the excess time with whatever other activities they find interesting.

We are not currently planning to improve ore or ice compression, including the rates of compression or Rorquals. We encourage those ice miners that outpace their Rorqual capacity to try selling the excess on local markets, I think they may find people willing to buy their products.

We recognize that the Outpost slot changes do not go as far as many people would have liked, but in this case we want to ensure that we don't design ourselves into a corner later by making outposts impossible to compete with. There may be room to adjust some of the numbers upwards a bit but we probably won't go as high as everyone might hope.

Once again thanks for all the feedback.

He did adapt, like many others will do. By playing SWTor.

BTW in that MMO I am on the English PvP server over there, playing a character named... Vaerah.

Or you could *gasp* move over to another system and/or mine rocks instead.

Any word on ice types that will spawn in nullsec, and its correlation with truesec? Best truesec systems currently only have krystallos, which is useless.

The best solutions are the ones we come up with ourselves. Let us anchor multiple stations per system, and WE will deal with production capacity in null sec, you won't need to tweak anything.