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Why make ex-Gravimetric-now-Ore-Sites so easy to scan down? Finding valuable ore to mine should take some effort and should not be effortless (one extra-button press to basically make it a warp-able point like an asteroid belt).

Well of course many won't. I guess I should have said "do you seriously think nobody will go where the isk is?"
The question is if many will. And I'm reasonably sure that yes, many people will. Even if not, nullsec and lowsec mining does need to be made more valuable than highsec. The casual player shouldn't be concerned about isk/hr, and those who want maximum isk/hr in the safety of highsec are the lowest common denominator and CCP shouldn't cater to them.

I agree.

Although I didn't like the scan process itself too much (thought it took too much time just to only fine 1 gravsite out of 5-6 systems). I was hoping that they would instead have probes scan for certain anomalies. At least this would have cut the time down of scanning sites and somewhat allow someone who was mining in null/lowsec to be informed of an intruder scanning down in the system for kills.

I agree that low/nullsec needs to be more valuable than highsec no doubt. But we're talking about mining here. Most people who do mine, mine while they're preoccupied with something else. I mean mining isn't exactly fun science. However, you can't semi-afk in low/nullsec mining, especially not alone (well maybe nullsec you might be able to semi--afk). Which is why i think many will not make or do the transition from high-sec mining to low/nullsec. And I am not even sure the rewards are even enough to incite such a transition.

People go to null sec to see what the heck all the fuss is. At least i did.

People STAY in null-sec because they like adventure and teamwork.

That's just my opinion, but as another poster said, take the belts out of high-sec and you'll see I'm right.

EVERYONE has had a chance to do null-sec.

EVERYONE knows there are corps and alliances that will replace your lost PvP ships.

If they haven't come out to null yet, they just aren't going to. Heck, fly the right ships and corps/alliances will pay you more than your ship is worth.

If they didn't stay it wasn't nearly as much about profit as many of you seem to think. They weren't weighing risk/profit. Almost assuredly they were measuring obligations/fun or for the more wallet-minded obligations/profit.

The obligations of teamwork are what cause so many to return to high-sec.

You can nerf hi-sec all you want. But God is going to have to create more PvPers for CCP to stay in business, because hi-sec miners are not going to be your mineral slaves AND do CTAs, and do home defense, and fuel bridges, and relocate to new war fronts, and everything else that's involved in being null-sec. The people who come and STAY in null-sec are people who like to see stuff explode.

and I'm just hoping CCP can stay in business long enough for me to see stuff explode again once I regain the leisure needed for null-sec.

You'll note that CCP is specifically catering to low/null miners already with the mineral changes to the ores in those areas. Not a bad thing, but I feel it doesn't go far enough to make lowsec industry worth really pursuing at all levels. The individual hangars in a POS also go a long way to helping corp members trust each other a bit (since they can trust that their things won't be taken quite so readily), so I expect corps will get relatively larger after that gets implemented.

Besides, my original argument as a whole isn't just centered on mining and industry. Some people like to camp gates and set up border traps ... but to have it almost be a requirement that lots of people be on every border gate at all times seems, for lack of a better word, asinine to me. I can accept that CCP wants things to be player-driven, but it's also a game and some concessions have to be made for null to truly be fun to people who can't afford to spend all their free time playing EVE.

NPC security of a power level high enough to keep random small bands out of your claimed space should be done - and it should cost significantly to keep the power level of those NPC's lower in all but your highly-valued systems.

Wow, you Goons scanned 60k+ moons? What a carebearish thing to do.... lol. ;)

It takes ~30 seconds for me to get to an anomaly from the time I jump in to the time that I drop out of warp in the anomaly, even if the anomaly is particularly close to my in-gate (less than 1AU). That's the time necessary to run the system scanner (10 seconds), during which I d-scan to determine the range they're at, the time to choose the anomaly (2-3 seconds), and then the time to enter and exit warp. If they're further away, they're safer. On top of that, gravimetric anomalies are a hell of a lot larger than ratting anomalies and the warp-in point for an intruder may not actually be anywhere near the points you'd sit miners at to mine from, adding extra safety.

Basically, this is not a tremendous increase in risk. It's the difference between "a gang can't threaten you at all unless they have probes" and "a gang can maybe threaten you, if they're fast on the scanner and you're paying an exceptionally low amount of attention."


The PAX East presentation featured a picture of a barge mining ice in context of resource rebalancing. Given that ice was at all time lows it was an extremely safe buy.

Would you like to make any more bull**** unfounded accusations?

If I could make this twenty point font and bright red, I would.

So does this mean they'll remove moon mining from pos's competely? No they won't and until they do it will be failed.