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+1 to this.

Lower-class wormholes do not have the available content to support more than a handful of pilots unless you factor in mining. This is why a lot of corps that move into the C1s, C2s, and so on will mine the grav sites to make extra money and have something to do. It's not so much of an issue in C5s and C6s where the sleeper sites and capital escalations generate so much more ISK, but it's a very significant chunk of the available income in the lower-class holes.

Unfortunately with this change, that small C1 or C2 corp is going to have to have a dedicated combat/deep space scanner online and at the keyboard whenever they go out mining, or they'll lose their entire mining fleet to the first hostile roam that comes through. That's one less person to run mining lasers, which reduces the amount of ore they can bring in, and the amount of ISK they generate from it.

Unless anomaly (including grav site) spawn rate is significantly increased in lower-end wormholes, it's likely that most of the smaller corps in wormhole space will just give up, and it will become just like nullsec is now - a place where only huge corps and alliances/coalitions, that can have dozens of members online and at any given time, can really afford to play. I'm not sure that's really a good thing for w-space or for the game.

Fozzie:

I have three main questions.

1) Has any thought been given to seeding all the common ore types to all racial highsec space?
Currently, Caldai highsec has no access to isogen, which puts a crimp on manufacturing. All other regions of New Eden contain the 5 common elements needed for basic manufacturing

2) Also, want to make sure I read the part about ice mining correctly:
All highsec systems which currently contain ice belts will spawn the ice anom's under Odyssey?

3) Phasing out of grav sites: Does this mean that grav sites that are currently scanned for with probes, will now appear in system scanner like the other anoms?

You dont understand less isk per tick is good for deflation... And scram frigs mean more dead nullbears

They won't make mining in lowsec desirable at all. From what I got watching the presentation was that the current grav sites which do spawn in FW space (but have to be found using scan probes) are going to be able to be seen using the on-board scanner instead. That means that while miners will be able to find the sites easily without a scanning ship, so will everyone else. I'd give a mining barge about a 2-3 min life span in lowsec with that system.

I respect that CCP is finally taking a rebalance of industry more seriously and actually doing something to enhance a system which is, by many accounts, terribly broken and imbalanced. In the spirit of full disclosure: I'm a highsec industrialist.

I'd go into nullsec in a heartbeat and mine the ever loving hell out of the minerals down there except it's completely unsafe for an industrialist to get resources in space which is inherently insecure. This is why people used the drone regions to get the refinable drone materials. They were, at the very least, in PvE ships and had half a chance at defending themselves against PvP attackers.

The only true solution to making industry actually worth doing in nullsec is to make it so that non-combatants have a chance at surving down there. This would, of course, dramatically change the nature of nullsec in the most undesirable of ways for the Church of the Almighty Pew ... but it would instantly shift industry from highsec to nullsec since nullsec is the only place where you can get the best minerals in good abundance (w-space notwithstanding). I mean ... ffs ... you can already find Veldspar rocks down there which don't run out after some guy solo mines that same rock for what would seem like an eternity to any highsec miner.

So, solution time. I see two possibilities.

First, have a whole bunch of highsec pockets all over the place down there but leave the resources alone. That would be kind of ... completely counterintuitive and probably would limit the number of null empires even more than the current sov system does.

Second, NPC cops which respond to standings of whoever holds sovereignty over a system in the same way highsec cops respond to standings of players flying through their space. The NPC cops would need some serious balancing and tweaking, but the idea would make borders relatively secure and would keep goofball small gangs from just wandering through hostile territory unless they get a couple other goofball gangs to go with them so they can fend off the cops as they go. Also, if you're trying to take sovereignty over a system and always have a set number of cops firing on your fleet (and they're focusing fire on your logi's, etc), then one could justify reducing the insane amount of time it takes to grind sov since the difficulty has been shifted away from raw time and toward surviving the cheap &/or elite NPC defense fleets which the sov holder has bought and paid for with an amount of isk as appropriate to the strength of the cops they want. Defender pays for better cops, and you have a harder time taking their space. Because, let's face it, camping a gate three hours a day as a requirement for being part of nullsec is garbage and we all know it.

EDIT - It would also create a new isk sink, and a pretty good one.

removing grav sites in hi-sec removes the incentive for miners to expend their skills into Exploration. Also removes the compromise that gankers need either a scan ship in their gang or fitted probe launcher. (and necessary skills)

I would note that grav sites are highly competed for in hi-sec as they are. These are easily located following downtime. Will there be a corresponding change here? A common practice for many hi-sec mining crews is to remove the high end ores and leave remaining roids. The site does not de-spawn to generate anew elsewhere. Would it not be possible to have the site timeout when there no activity within after an hour or so?

And since it will be asked anyway. removing grav sites, lead the option for skill re-allocation from astrometic investment?

nobody ever wanted nullsec to be self sufficient, we wanted nullsec to be a great place to start an industrial venture

with the current mechanics, only production from T2 BPOs and Production of (Super)Capitals were viable, with the changes, almost everything makes sense to produce in 00

JFs will no longer travel empty on their way to Jita, thats a great change

lolnope, thats one of the worst ideas ever

a nullsec full of miners is not a nullsec full of sheep to prey on, its a nullsec full of sheep, well aware of wolves out there and well connected with each other

i heard they were changing hacking sites in a rather interesting way

justsayin

Reread what I wrote. I didn't say it should make the whole place secure - just less insecure. If you want industry to be worth a damn, then you need defenseless ships in space to get the things to make it happen.