EVE General Discussion

Give us strip clubs and poker tables, instantly double current subs.

You know, the oft used saying "playing with dolls" prompted me to say something about a variation that would be possible to the prototype already developed that might solve a few issues and open up some interesting options.

Whether due to legal reasons or technical limitations you are limited to having one clone housing your consciousness at a time. Even with DUST style sleeper implants, capsuleers may be a bit hesitant to trust their "mind" to a clone that will be operating in a dangerous and interference generating environment. If the clone died and the transfer of consciousness was interfered with, that would be the end of your "immortal" life.

So perhaps the way forward would be to have a jump clone created with specialized implants that allowed a "remote connection" of sorts... one that if your control or presence in the body via a "wireless connection" was interupted no harm would be done.

More or less, that clone would be little more than a puppet on a string, or a "doll" if you will, and if the connection is cut or interfered with the body goes limp and your mind snaps back to your true clone that is safely back in your ship outside.

To flesh out this game play you could develop EvE's first true exploration vessel. One that had bonuses for probes and such, but also could house a single clone "Clone Vat" for keeping your Doll alive while unoccupied. It would also need to be able to mount the equipment needed to establish the connection between your mind and the Doll, likely with a limited range due to heavy bandwidtch requirements for the activity (say perhaps a 5km radius). This vessel would also likely need to have the ability to mount a cloak, although a covert ops cloak would not be a necessity.

So the game play would consist of probing out a suitable site to wreck dive, warp to it, put your ship in orbit around it within control range, and cloak up. Then you flip the switch and enter your Doll, EVA over to the wreck and start exploration.

Obviously your ship might get uncloaked and destroyed, with the usual consequences. If your Doll is killed in the wreck, or enters a "no reception zone" and contact is lost, your mind snaps fully back into your regular clone. You would of course have the option of abandoning your Doll if it became trapped, or in case of an emergency (like being in danger of being decloaked).

I was thinking it might open up some possibilities, tie into FIS a little more directly in a unique way, support existing lore in an interesting way, and be fully compliant with the work already done on the prototype.

Men playing with Dolls indeed.

Just a thought, sorry for the side track.

Never underestimate the power of mom's basement

CCP are catering to customers they don't have... That's what Dust is for.

Also, catering for specific market is not the same as catering for your own customers. Eve is a game traditionally associated with a particular hard core game play style and so it attracts a certain type of player. If you water that down, you attract less hard core players, and frankly the people who might want to hang out in virtual bars probably wouldn't play it still because it's too hard core for them still.

no. that is exactly the wrong kind of mentality the barbie freakers have,
~if its emoting with a bunch of dudes at a pretend bar i want to emote with other dudes with my "main" character, like i've been RPing for years but ho ho ho when it comes to some risk i'd rather use my "doll"? it's just a repeat of that dogshite drone clone idea.

because the freaks in second life and imvu are too hardcore for me, i fear them.
i mean, i've seen some foul freaking going on in OOPE, and christ thats freaky enough in text

Hopefuly CCP will do a great announcement regarding WiS. The opinion to completely remove it from the client, it uses too much HDD space.

This is not about what I want. This is about what makes good business sense. I want bars, and corporate quarters, and station environments, but it makes much better business sense to put something out that caters to the market they already advertise to. And that's the station wreck diving idea.

When your argument relies on calling people freaks you know that your arguments lacking in logic.

What risk? What emoting?

I thought the basic premise was for a specialized exploration clone, with a remote connection instead of the normal procedure. In regular EvE if you die you end up in another clone anyway, so I'm not sure what your point would be.

So you ARE hard core if when you die you end up in a clone in another station, but your NOT hard core if you die and end up back in your main clone on your ship?

At what point did that make sense to you...

Heh, that's funny. After 4 years and 900 euros, i guess I would be deemed a part of their market by any company, but hey, you know better.

It is obvious that EVE "core" game doesn't interests me. I've made no secret of it, and also have explained why so won't repeat it.

Anyway, as i *still* can enjoy some gameplay in EVE, I want that kind of gameplay to be expanded. Be it through WiS or FiS. EVE's lack of content suitable for people with time constraints is appalling, period. I want that changed, be it WiS, FiS or whatever..

But, you mean people like me don't fit the market? Well then, CCP is up to a nasty surprise if they insist that the only way to enjoy their product is to second-job it, only if you can find the right people (but then don't meet the wrong people) and only if you can spend several hours in a stride (sleep, familiy, jobs, RL in general, they're SO overrated compared to serious internet spaceships business).

Frankly, I don't think that CCP can save EVE from a matherial POV. They're behind the power curve, facing x+1 deadly issues with only x time/resources. And now they don't even have the man who haves a plan. They keep improvising expansions out of random ideas and the game is not going nowhere. And that's not exciting; that's the way a game 10 years old dies before turning 15.