Player Features and Ideas Discussion

According to the Minmatar thread, we are meant to be seeing an update on ALL the ships posted at some point today.

I guess nothing we've said about the Amarr ships has hit home with anyone no dev replies at all so far :(

Edit: might as well try to be constructive still.

I gotta ask like so many others - Why are Amarr ships the only once incapable to sustaining any sort of dps with high dmg ammo? why can we not fit Tachyons to any Amarr BS without having atleast 1 or several Reactor Controls added (more than 1 is needed if you want just a prop mod beyond the guns not even to mention tank on top of this.) You say we have the best Balance between weapons systems than ever before but the once currently not "Fleeing" from these ships are the once that use NAPOCs and the only reason it works for this doctrine / ship is becaus of two things - They don't need to move to hit most doctrines and their massive EHP. So Basicly insane range, Tracking and EHP makes these ships able to just sit there and hold the field thus not needing to worry as mutch about cap since they use the long range less cap usage ammo anways and are holding postion not needing to use Prop mod.

The old Armor BS doctrines are now thrown away by all but fools they simply hold no advantage anymore since you get neither suffecient EHP nor range or even sustainability from these types of setups. This really makes me want to ask: How can the weapon systems be more equal than ever when Laser weaponry is starting to be more and more of a Joke to attempt to use against more versatile and sustainable systems like Autocannons and Rails? We can't even use our "Strongest" Long range Weapons becaus there is simply no way to even attempt to fit them when you need several Fitting extension mods / rigs to even get the guns hammered onto your ship.

I used to love Mega Pulse lasers they had really nice range for a CR type weapon but as time went on and evrything else started moving faster, getting more range or simply just started dropping bombs in my face I saw no way to continueing to use this weapon system anymore not when I couldn't even keep firing anymore from running out of cap charges not even half way thrue a fight?!?

I can see how this must be confusing whene everyone is running around with Tier 3 BCs (or attack bc or w/e) are using these weapons (well not Tachyons i'm sure not even oracles can fit them with out a reactor control or 5) but if it really takes a mutch smaller hull with alot more versatility vs EHP to deploy these weapons system then I guess we're all just not using them the right way?

i dont like it how blobs will now have these ridiculous neut geddons to deal with kiting gangs
to get within point range on a normal ship you will be neuted dry and dead in the water
so you will absolutely need tackle recons (i hate that)

neut bonus, or neut cap use

quote from meridith akesia

would make small gangs retardly difficult without tackle recons

it should be a bonus to amount, cpu powergrid use or cap use

I don't like resistance nerfs on Abaddon and Rokh. Yes, it's the best bonus that a T1 ship could have, but that should be compensated by not pairing it with a damage bonus (already done with Rokh, so Abaddon could have 10% bonus per level to either cap usage or optimal range). Also, Battleship skill is a long one and with BS V soon being removed as a prerequisite for caps, resistance nerfs on Rokh and Abaddon is adding insult to injury to people who trained Amarr or Caldari Battleship V. why sacrifice a month od training (unless you're one of those people with 100+ million skillpoints) to have same resists that Prophecy and Ferox have with Battlecruisers IV?

To comment on two other ships:

Apocalypse - somewhat weird combination of bonuses (for a T1 ship). Is it going to be a brawler, sniper, or it's gonna be fail at both?

Armageddon - will be better in PvP than a neut Domi, but I can see a lot of Bhaalgorns owners station-spinning their ships in future since they will not be worth the risk to PvP in anymore.

Current Amarr ships situation:

They are having issues with capacitor, <- that can be fixed with more skills (many skills to be exact)
That will lead us to few people flying Amarr ships <- which means it is a challenge, that makes you flying one properly proud of yourself and feeling that you have accomplished something

Doing ANYTHING to make more cap issues, less fitting scenarios, or stripping any of the Amarr ships of their current roles will just KILL the ships on this race, and better to make it NPC race for ships show offs only

CCP has the itch to do something to "balance" Amarr ships? give them more fitting capabilities (aka: PG and CPU)
Or make them less cap painful

Other than that it will be "ruining" the ships not "balancing" them

If missiles were brought into the game on Khanid ships, then that is not argument, because missiles were brought on completely NEW ships, not by changing an existence ship from laser platform into un-bonused missiles + un-bonused lasers mix to get a neuting range bonus + drones bonus

If that needed to be in the game, then simply a new BS hull with neuting/missiles (or drones) bonus will be the easiest thing to do, other than messing the current Amarr BS doctrines

slight tweaks is an understatement these lack of changes are sad i hope you respond to all the main complaints here especially the OP neut bonus

Nevermind. Found my answer

Amarr have a much sturdier resist profile though. Dropping a high for a low for what I assume you want to use for tank would be terrible. And why drop an actual gun for a heat sink if that's what you're thinking?

Also these updates don't really address any of the problems people have brought up. Amarr will still suffer from a severe problem of cap usage.

Megathron:

Slot layout: 7H(-1), 4M, 8L(+1); 7 turrets , 0 launchers(-2)

What is this?

Why this ship have more Low slots than Amarr ships?

Abaddon has a now decreased better resist profile, loosing one gun equates a 12.5% dps decrease in return for tons more options (including replacing the lost damage) allowed with a low while improving cap at the same time (drain from guns decreases by same 12.5%).

In the case of the Armageddon, the 7th high is superfluous as there is no way in hell of driving that many neuts (doubt many believe the gun slots will ever be utilized) without outside assist whereas the low can augment cap, damage (drones) or tank (lacks the Abaddon resist).

PS: Apocalypse is intentionally left out as losing a high in conjunction with the lack of a damage bonus makes it rather subpar .. even though the low could be sinked .. actually, include it in decision process.