Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I would seriously consider making the scorpion a Caldari drone boat, it would give it much needed versatility and actual viability in a lot more situations without making it OP.

The T1-->T2 lineup is being balanced around T1=general --> T2=specialised but the poor Scorpion is a T1 hull but with a specialised role, and more unusually only a single viable role outside of baitfit.

If you were to give the Scorpion a drone-based bonus it would result in the drone battleships becoming:

Gallente - Dominix. Drones on crack

Amarr - Armageddon. Drones + EWAR (Neuts)

Caldari - Scorpion. Drones + EWAR (ECM)

Would this not be a sensible option? It wouldn't remove the ECM that people want from the Scorp, you could still fit it as many do now with max ECM and an armour tank and sacrifice your drone dps in the process (no room for DDAs) so it wouldn't lose it's current limited role. It also removes that awkward 'disruption battleship' moniker reserved for this one ship.

It feel it would really play to the strengths of the hull and eliminate one of the main reasons the Scorpion in currently sidelined (jammed first by that T2 falcon with his quicker lock time? Your newly bonused drones are off to say hello), and would become a viable ship for many more fleet compositions, though rightly not able to attain the dps of the Dominix or Armageddon due to its slot layout.

Maybe we could call the short-range type "torpedoes"?

You missed the point there. The suggestion was to give cruise missiles ammo versatility the same way a projectile ship can switch between fusion and titanium sabbot at different ranges.

+1

I'd like to see the Caldari do more with drones. Fits in better with what I actually see played too. We Caldari just love drones, never understood them not being so in lore. Perhaps its time to adapt the lore to the way the players play.

PS - Not fond of the resist nerfs or the attack Raven that is not good at attacking. So not overly pleased with the new Caldari Battleships.

What? Every weapons system except for missiles gets variable ammunition choices at purely t1 with no training.

Projectiles: Fusion et al for close range, Titanium Sabbot et al for longer range / better tracking
Hybrids: Antimatter for up close blasting, Lead et al for longer ranges
Lasers: Multifrequency at point blank all the way out to Radio at extreme range

These are all in addition to the T2 close/long range ammo choices, although scorch renders the laser t1 ammo aside from MF completely pointless

Ok so here is the difference between the Typhoon and Raven, plugged em into EvEHQ, but heres the stats:

Typhoon All 0 No Fitting
Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+5% to Cruise and Torpedo launcher rate of fire
+5% Cruise Missile and Torpedo explosion velocity

Slot layout: 7H, 5M, 7L; 0 turrets, 6 launchers
Fittings: 12500 PWG, 640 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 6500 / 6000 / 6000 {23,854 EHP - This takes into acount resists}
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second) : 5400GJ / 1087s / 4.97
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 130ms / .11 / 103600000 / 15.8s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 100MBit / 100m3
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 65km / 115mm / 7
Sensor strength: 19 Ladar Sensor Strength
Signature radius: 350m

Raven All 0 No Fitting
Caldari Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+5% bonus to Cruise and Torpedo Launcher rate of fire
+10% bonus to Cruise Missile Torpedo Velocity

Slot layout: 7H, 7M, 5L; 0 turrets , 6 launchers
Fittings: 11000 PWG, 750 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 6800 / 5800 / 6400 {24,372 EHP - This takes into acount resists}
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / recharge per second) : 5500GJ / 1160s / 4.74
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 113ms / .12 / 99300000 / 16.52s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50MBit / 75m3
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 75km / 85mm / 7
Sensor strength: 22 Gravimetric
Signature radius: 420m

Ok so we can see here that the Typhoon is faster but has less tank than the Raven with base 0

Now the Typhoon is going to be slowed a hell of alot once you start throwing armour plates on it, the reason you dont shield fit it is because its tank lacks in comparison to the raven when fitted with shields.

Typhoon All V With Fitting
High: x6 Torpedo Launcher II, x1 Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium: x1 Prototype 100MN MicroWarpdrive I, x1 Warp Disruptor II (or x1 Warp Scrambler II), x2 Stasis Webifier II, x1 Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Exatron I
Low: x1 Damage Control II, x2 Ballistic Control II, x2 Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II, x2 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Rigs: Large Processor Overclocking Unit I, Large Anti-Explosive Pump I, Large Bay Loading Accelerator I

Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 8125 / 18000 / 7500 {88,813 EHP - This takes into acount resists}
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 154.38ms (1,064.03ms MWD) / .07 / 103600000 / 11.23s (16.38s MWD)
Signature radius: 350m (2100m MWD)

Raven All 5 With Fitting
High: x6 Torpedo Launcher II, x1 Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium: x1 Prototype 100MN MicroWarpdrive I, x1 Warp Disruptor II, x1 Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Exatron I, x1 Heavy Electrochemical Cap Booster I,x2 Adaptive Invulnerability Field II, x1 Large Shield Extender II
Low: x1 Damage Control II, x3 Ballistic Control II, x1 Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Rigs: x1 Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I, x2 Large Core Defense Field Extender I

Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 12,465 / 5800 / 5120 {63,260 EHP - This takes into acount resists}
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 154.53ms (1,124.85ms MWD) / .06 / 99300000 / 9.39s (14.12s MWD)
Signature radius: 501m (2906m MWD)

Raven is faster than the Typhoon once fitted, but less tank, te Raven also has much better agility and align time so it can out turn the typhoon allowing a kitting orbit to work, meaning the Typhoon wont catch the Raven without Faction Webs and Skirmish Links.

I hope you guys can now see what i have been saying in previous posts. The raven could deserve the tank that got taken away from it back though, cause my Drake has 20K more EHP buffer than it.

Dear CCP Rise - The fact that you are seriously considering making the Scorp into the only exception to the tiericide program, as the sole "disruption BS" in the game, says that someone at CCP is putting his/her personal preference for this ship ahead of the overall game plan to give every race an equivalent slate of ships.

Bad on you.

If you are going to keep the Scorp as-is for the Caldari, then you need to introduce comparable ships to the other races (and preferably not by slapping some Target Painting bonuses on the Phoon). Otherwise, the Scorp needs to be sacrificed to the tiericide god, as either an Attack or Combat BS.

Personally, though, I don't think we need yet another attack/combat BS or a dedicated disruption BS, so I'd rather see each race get a multi-role BS, like the current (not proposed) Domi. The Scorp can be buffed as an EW boat for fleet ECM, as well as adding more gank/tank to make it more viable for small gang or solo play.

Yeah, Caldari should be able to fly every type of weapon. Do you guys seriously think this will happen? If you want drones train some gallente or amarr and buy a rattler, domi, or geddon, ffs.

edit - also the Falcon whine and the "we Caldari just love drones" are pure gold for lulz.

Remove the racial damage type bonuses for missiles from all ships in EVE (racial bombers are ok), and replace it with a rate-of-fire bonus, or across-the-board damage bonus.

personally, I find several things odd in these changes:
-> we get two (all t1) battleships with missiles in attack role, don't really see the point in it, especially due to fact that there is no proper bombardment missile battleship in the game. However, I can see the reasoning behind it - considering cruises suck, make all missile battleships into torp ones, but it is still weird - looks too much as if cruises are just getting shafted.
Also what happened to 'artillery / bombardment' ships?
-> I find entire point of 'attack battleships' moot - while attack frigs and cruisers make lot of sense, attack bcs are designed around high dps with high mobility (and work (too) good at that). However, attack battleships are lower dps, lower tank ships compared to combat ones (contrary to bcs), making me wonder the purpose of these ships - not like they will be chasing and tackling stuff (except for other battleships, but they can likely just outgun and outtank them by brute force). Also at current state, attack bcs will be higher dps and much higher mobility then attack battleships, making me wonder if there is any point at all in using attack battleship.