Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Just FYI, you're totally out of touch with reality. The Rail Rokh is a dominant fleet BS.

And I hope the guy above me wasn't suggesting deadspace MWDs as a method of going faster...

It's not the cost. Why do you think they're so cheap? Maybe because they don't give any speed bonus over a T1 MWD...?

Please look into improving the scorpions viability as an armor tank, it's a really bad armor tanking ship, not expecting miracles just improve the armor aspect of it somehow.

-1 or -2 high slots, add 1 or 2 low slots (hint hint)

CCP rise, you said in the galent thread that the other ones whernt sayign much of interest, but i have yet to hear your take on how to make the scorp more useful? especialy above the much cheeper BB or the much more suprising Falcon. It donsent have manuverability, nore tank, hell it doent even do decent DPS, it dosent have anything a Battle ship should have, just an aditional mid over the Falcon. Why do we need this ECM BS? for big fleet fights where a BS EHP will keep it on field longer? nope because it will have Craptastic tank and still die, and if we shield tank it, the BB will out jam it. so for the love of Zombie jesus, give it either more tank, more DPS, or somethign special to make it worth takign over a BB or falcon.

Seriosuly, last time i saw a Scorpion at all was XL-ASB shield bait ones

Actually, I could see the tank order for Caldari BS being Raven/Light - Scorpion/Meduim - Rokh/Heavy. I would also reccomend that if this is the way forward, to redo the raven hull to look like a thick B2-Spirit.

Yeah, with current cruise/torp stats, the Raven's missile velocity bonus is of very little use, it's an obsolete holdover from past ages. I would criticise it further, but it's pointless, since we know that cruise and torps will be changed, and those changes may make it useful again. But we won't know until we know how cruise and torps are getting changed.

Yes. I was trying to fit a scorp all night on the test server to try and get a fit that could survive more than 3 volleys and still be able to lock down targets.

Spoilers: My efforts were in vain.

Hello,

After reading the respective battleship posts the caldari ones leave me with a litle problems. Amarr and Minmater looks fine, and at this time the Gallente is still in the other unrevealed build

First of All a global comment.

While atm controversial, i think the primary and secondary weaponsystems for Combat line battleships is a good chooice. While i don´t really like the fact that some races have a different ratio in combat - attack - disruption ships, i can understand that atm there can be a timebased / balancing issue that just doesn't allow the implementations of 1 more battleship for each race to solve this problem.

I hope in the future this will be solved. However that leaves the Caladri in a unique position, beeing the only one with a disruption battleship, and thus haveing one less combat ship.

The rokh as a combat ship is a logical choice, since the missiles have Always been the primary weapon systems of caldari, and thus it would be more logical for the attack line ship to use missiles. However due to this, i believe a future caldari battleship should be a combat missile ship. And There lies the problem. With the current Typhoon and Raven, finding a combat ship that is missile based, is nigh impossible.

Individual ships:

Rokh

I can understand why you want the effective hp amount reduced. However, All things beeing equal, a shield ship has fewer options to increase it then the armor versions. In effect these ships will have an average lower hp then armor versions.

While this isn't the biggest problem, there incomming damage is further increased by the fact that it has a substantial bigger signature radius. Especially when you add a few much needed shield extenders. The chang of getting a wrecking shot, or full damage from a missile will be a LOT higher then on eg the Abaddon.

I am not completely satisfied with the other stats of the rokh, but those aren't as worrysome as the big difference in effective hp and effective incomming damage the current ships have.

The current problems with hybrids, is that either the tracking, alpha or range is sup par to the other shield based gunboat

Raven

Although i like the Raven, i don't concider it at all near the other attack line missile based ship the Typhoon. 86% of the speed of a Typhoon is a big difference, and it extra range is no where near as potent as the explosion range velocity, wich will make the typhoon apply its damage much better.

Its a slower moveing less damageing version of the typhoon, wich makes the other things it has above the typhoon, in an Attack line ship negliable.

It can't pass as an Combat ship either, and as i stated above, if your going to introduce a 4th battleship this logically would become an missile based combat ship. Makeing the raven a slower ship and less damageing option then another ship, and a less sturdy and less damageing? ship in thet corner.

Scorpion

I've Always loved the scorpion, really i did. But in about 6 years of PvP i've only taken it out maybe 5 times. The cost and effect of this ship truelly is abysmal. Its to slow in speed maneuverability and locking, to effectively use it in small skirmishes, and its to squishy and to high of a priority target to use in large fights.

With added ECM nerfs, more and more increased sensor strength on all ship sizes and additional skills to counter ECM even further, the usefull ness of this ship is dropped below any other ship choice, of its class or below. To make the scorpion work, something drastic needs to be done

Either convert it fully to a combat ship and use the navy issue scorpion as a template, or drasticly increase its effectiveness as a disruption battleship, by upping its base scan resolution, Amount of targets locked, and ecm strength bonus. Also a greater buffer would be much needed on this ship.

Conclusion:

Amarr and Minmitar ships look distinct, in line with the new philosophies, and alloweing for a whole new meta game. Caldari ships need to be worked with to make you want to chose them.

Buff to cap/s was recieved to the following ships and wasnt included in the "stats-o-spreadsheet";
Raven: cap/s +0.16
Scorpion: cap/s +0.17

With the missiles. Would not having 2 types of cruise missile and buffing torps be a good idea?

Example:

- Long range cruise missiles.
Have faster travel time and sligtly lower explosion radius, current dps

- Short range cruise missiles
Around 35km range, decent dps (think ultraviolet damage and range), slightly higher explosion radius and slower travel time