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[Odyssey] Tech 1 Battleships - Amarr

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#81 - 2013-04-08 16:27:55 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Removed incomprehensible part. ISD Ezwal.

Cap boosters on everything

Geddon using drones... I HATE DRONES :'(



Looks powerful as **** but i still hate it... =[ At least you didn't remove the optimal bonus from the apoc.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Mole Guy
Bob's Bait and Tackle
#82 - 2013-04-08 16:29:09 UTC
geddon?
a torp boat?
i have advocated for amarr torp boats for years!

hell yeah!

wait...
7 lows?
amarr is the armor tank of armor tanks...gallente reps what little it has via bonuses, we pack it on and stick resists on it. now yer taking one of the geddons strong points? ok, so it gets a little more armor, and bad ass drone bonus, and long range neuts, and the choice between my mega pulse and torps, and more armor, and a bad ass drone bonus...

that barely makes up for the loss of the low.

ima let it slide this time, but just so u know...im watching you guys.

(on a side note, these are bad ass changes. i love all of them but the caldari. i dont really fly caldari much and havent spent much time going over them. i really dont have an opinion).


the apoc is a nasty beotch now!
and those long range neuts and drones...wow.

can u say neuts, torps and garde II's?
Sinzor Aumer
Planetary Harvesting and Processing LLC
#83 - 2013-04-08 16:33:13 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
Armageddon:

Wait what?!
You have just killed Typhoon and immediately resurrected it on the there side of the battlefield! "Evil necromancer" would be your nickname, do you mind?
Elendar
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#84 - 2013-04-08 16:33:40 UTC
Atomic Option wrote:
Looks like a pretty significant nerf to the range the apoc because of the need to fit cap mods instead of tracking computers. PVP fits can potentially go to boosters for burst cap if they're not using those already, but cap stable fits don't have that option. The tracking bonus means switching from TCs to batteries or cap rechargers, which would be a wash except that without scripted tracking computers it can't hit nearly as far.

Scary until I EFT the specifics. The navy variant will still work, but if these changes are mirrored on that balance pass pulse damage projection to 90km+ with Scorch will be out. It's nice to see Beams will be more fittable, but Tachyons at that range don't have the same punch (mostly because Scorch is so good).

That said, the theoretical meta for Lasers was always their cap use and the cap use bonus basically just negated that so this will add some flavor (even if it means I end up switching to hybrids or something).

Looks interesting otherwise. I'm looking forward to seeing what I can build with the new geddon.


A single T2 cap use rig pretty much solves this issue and can be produced very cheap if done personally. This is a massive buff and hilariously awesome.
Pelea Ming
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#85 - 2013-04-08 16:35:00 UTC
Atomic Option wrote:
Looks like a pretty significant nerf to the apoc because of the need to fit cap mods instead of tracking computers. PVP fits can potentially go to boosters for burst cap if they're not using those already, but cap stable fits don't have that option.
I agree, it needs adjustments done to base cap to balance this out properly.
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The tracking bonus means switching from TCs to batteries or cap rechargers, which would be a wash except that without scripted tracking computers it can't hit nearly as far.
use some TEs. With the tracking bonuses it will be plenty, even after they are nerfed.
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That said, the theoretical meta for Lasers was always their cap use and the cap use bonus basically just negated that
Precisely, lasers need cap, and not only did you get rid of the hull cap boost, but you also made it so that the cap recharges slower, huge issue in my book.
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan
#86 - 2013-04-08 16:36:36 UTC
That Geddon is going to be evil Shocked

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom."
Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#87 - 2013-04-08 16:38:00 UTC
Why the f*ck would you ever put missiles on your Armageddon? LAZORZ or GTFO Roll


- killz

[u]Ich bin ein Pirat ！[/u]
Lord Salty
The Classy Gentlemans Corporation
Moist.
#88 - 2013-04-08 16:43:36 UTC
Is it really classed as balancing if every ship is made to be more or less the same but with a different name and hull design? from these changes, i do not see things going well for my beloved (yet hated by ccp) caldari battleships. i suppose the raven is going to become a rail boat?
Lili Lu
#89 - 2013-04-08 16:43:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Lili Lu
CCP Rise wrote:
This change is significant, and we are going to dedicate an entire thread to discussing the power of resistance bonuses later in the day. If you want to talk about this bonus here, in relation to the Abaddon specifically, feel free. The general idea from our end is that the current bonus to resistance is one of the most powerful ship bonuses in the game. It adds to the power of local tanks (active and passive) as well as remote tanks, which has consistently positioned ships with this bonus at the center of some of the most powerful gameplay available to combat pilots. We feel that the Abaddon is strong enough to perform perfectly well with the slight loss in resist.

Amarr Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+5% to Large Energy Turret damage
+4% Armor resistances (-1% per level)

Slot layout: 8H, 4M, 7L; 8 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 21000 PWG, 560 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 7000 / 8500 / 8000
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / recharge per second) : 6375 / 1250s / 5.1
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 89 / .14 / 125000000 / 20.03s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 75 / 75
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 80km / 85 / 7
Sensor strength: 22 Radar Sensor Strength
Signature radius: 470


Big question (as I don't see a general thread on resist bonuses) - Are you going to apply this resist bonus paradigm into other ship sizes both above and below BS size? I ask this because the Drake and Prophecy are tremendously popular and powerful with the 5% bonus. If only the BS line is getting the resist bonus nerf then the resist bonused BCs will gain again in utility and popularity. And I thought there was an attempt to make BSs worth more in relation to BCs.

As to the Abaddon specifically, why have you made/left it such a fat cow? It appears to have the slowest align time. That will only get worse once buffer plated and rigged. And since the tank is being reduced it makes this ship less desirable in relation to BCs of all kind.

Lord Salty wrote:
Is it really classed as balancing if every ship is made to be more or less the same but with a different name and hull design? from these changes, i do not see things going well for my beloved (yet hated by ccp) caldari battleships. i suppose the raven is going to become a rail boat?

FFS, there is a thread on Caldari BSs. This is the Amarr BS thread. Get out, and take your CCP hates Caldari whinage with you.Roll

Major Killz wrote:
Why the f*ck would you ever put missiles on your Armageddon? LAZORZ or GTFO Roll
- killz

Because of cap suckage. ACs or missiles will go here, if not fitting neuts.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#90 - 2013-04-08 16:45:40 UTC
Geddon is the easy-mode counter to every hull in the game that uses energy for dps and has a range of less than 36 km.
Pelea Ming
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#91 - 2013-04-08 16:46:25 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Lord Salty wrote:
Is it really classed as balancing if every ship is made to be more or less the same but with a different name and hull design? from these changes, i do not see things going well for my beloved (yet hated by ccp) caldari battleships. i suppose the raven is going to become a rail boat?

^^^^ Yet another reason to need a Block feature on the forums. Go to the Caldari Battleship thread!

Edit: Now now, calm down please.
As a matter of fact, that function exists. Click on the little yellow/orange down-pointing arrow on the left side of the characters name. In the resulting menu choose 'Hide Posts'. You will never see a post of that character again. ISD Ezwal.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#92 - 2013-04-08 16:47:14 UTC
Jasmin Soulscream wrote:
Well time to sell all my Geddons thanks ccp :(

Good timing! You won't have any shortage of buyers. Smile

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vimana gouryella
#93 - 2013-04-08 16:48:51 UTC  |  Edited by: vimana gouryella
imo amarr are the big winners of this tiercide, now let's look at the galente who are the big losers 3 ships all useless, compare the mega with the apoch 1 more turret for the apoch ... realy . wtf .
the geddon t gets a dron bonus and a newt range bonus...le'ts just throw away the domi ,
not to compare the hyp with the badon ... are u for real ccp in wich univers are this canges actualy viable?
trololololololololol
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#94 - 2013-04-08 16:50:53 UTC
Are you CCP guys going to ruin.... I mean, rebalancing the navy ships as well?
BABARR
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#95 - 2013-04-08 16:51:09 UTC
Not bad, but.
WHY nerf the abaddon? it was one of the only BS working well in the actual fleet PVP.
There are lot of ship whith better tank already, like tech3, or CS like the absolution. So WHY nerfing the armor resist of the abaddon? i never hear ppl complain about the resist of the abaddon.
You want everybody in alphafleet or what?
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#96 - 2013-04-08 16:55:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Oh man, I'm kinda bummed by the Geddon change. Know what would have been baller?
Abaddon: Damage+Resists (For tank'n'spank)
Apoc: Optimal+Damage (For damage at range, built in giant sized capacitor)
Geddon: ROF+Tracking (For truly ganky, maybe add an 8th turret if you wanna get really baller with it)

Ah well, I'm sure you've got more of a vision and plan than I do. :(

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#97 - 2013-04-08 16:56:50 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Lenier Chenal wrote:


Can we get a range + damage bonus on the apoc instead ... at least?


You shut up and leave that tracking bonus alone, its just made the apoc the laser version of the Mega, are you crazy?


I'd have preferred the tracking bonus be on the Geddon. But yeah, it's a great bonus.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Marlyrel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2013-04-08 17:00:53 UTC
Are there changes coming on how much CAP the Large Lasers take?
The apoc used to be a really fun PVE ship since you didn't HAVE to use a stupid cap booster.
Now with the bonus gone you'll either have to lose a crapton of DPS by fitting more cap rechargers or fit that stupid cap booster again.

Please rethink taking away the bonuses
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#99 - 2013-04-08 17:04:04 UTC
These changes look highly interesting.

They also make me strongly suspect that changes are coming to:

Laser cap use.
Beam lasers in general.
NOS are going to be made a bit more viable.

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Andy Koraka
State War Academy
Caldari State
#100 - 2013-04-08 17:08:31 UTC
Foxcat Supremacy 2013, this is going to firmly put the nail in the coffin of small sig doctrines like T3s and AHacs since the Foxcat fit that already eats them is gettting (provided the navy varient has the new bonus as well) a 37.5% bonus to tracking.

I'm also excited for when our Talwars start alphaing the freshly nerfed FA Abbadons. :D