EVE General Discussion

Well on the possibility that this isn't a troll - I suppose it worth answering.

First the help channel is generally helpful - most of the time; most new players will get a fair bit of help there (unsurprisingly) and free isk often to start. If they bother to actually talk to players, they will probably get corp invites too. There are many unsung heroes in Help that constantly strive to give new players a better experience at start (and get them hooked)

As for joining corps - well there are always corps that are falling over each other for new players. Again it does require talking to player (in the recruitment channel); however a new alt character I created, must have had half a dozen offers of corp membership in day (in a new player system). Also Brave Newbies Inc (as advertised by CCP a few weeks ago), unsurprisingly takes new players (and they are successful at providing a lot of PvP and fleet experience and training).

I would agree that ship piloting sucks; and (IMHO) probably the worse part of the game.
I'm hopeful that CCP will design an interface that allows a better space control system than clicking in space (which I have always though sucked). I'm not proposing a radical change, just a interface panel with azimuth and elevation controls (for example).

As for speed of character development, I started a new character about two months ago for PvP; already he has good Frigate skills for DPS; can fly cruise ECM and Logi, and is in high demand for both PvE and PvP group ops in a corp that frankly couldn't give a rats ass about SP.

I also happened to get a work colleague to try Eve recently and he was hooked in a day; and is constantly loosing ship to losec pirates and having a great in game time. He's making tonnes of mistakes but sees the game as a big challenge. This game suits some players and not others (my wife can't get into Eve although she is a 7 year DAoC Vet).

Shooting stuff on mission, is a very, very small part of the game - and I would agree, does tend to make the game appear very linear and warp, shoot, loot, get next mission. Also, although much better, I think the new player experience does need work. I would recommend that CCP recruits players to fleet up new players (who are generally reluctant to fleet due to their lack of knowledge) and show them how much more fun it is to play with other in Eve.

Ok. That's one hell of an aversion.

How about this question...

Do you believe that the combat system could use any type of improvement?

Hopefully that question doesn't seem loaded.

I'm not being specific on what that improvement would be. It could be anything. CCP could setup a committee and put it on a back burner for 12 months for all I care, but the issue is to admit there could be room for improvement. Just like they are improving exploration.



Ok. Fine. I am just used to sitting in a blob listening to the FC and pressing F1 and seeing stuff go boom.

For all the other smaller scale fights, I suppose I would have to hit, F1 through F4 to point and what not. Turn on the AB or MWD. Maybe overheat a few module in case the fight seems to be going south. Maybe adjust my orbit during the fight.

But really that is about it.

It wasn't an aversion at all.

I literally said that there is room for improvement, like literally.


Yes absolutely. What does that have to do with people calling the OP out for saying EVE sucks and is skill less.


That isn't it, at all. That is a recipe for disaster.

The EVE Battlefield is not a Flight Simulator or FPS, reflexes are important to a degree but 90% of Battles are won before you engage. It is a tactical game where victory is mostly through anticipation, planning and strategy in an open ended universe. Setting yourself up to defeat or escape your enemy.

EVE is not supposed to be an action game. It isn't Vendetta Online.

It's blob fleets, right?

How much skill does that take but logistics of moving 400 from point A to point B?

Makes a mockery of the skills system.

Got the skills it's time to play, not right click and use spreadsheet sized UIs to even navigate (EvE, hands down has the worst UI for a PvP based game). EvE is a sandbox, but it's not based on Pluto, there's some conventions to follow, especially IF the players claim it's so much about PvP.

Devs have to use existing computing languages to make/run EvE. Players ask for the same conventions game wide in their UIs.

Can't blame gamers for having G15 keyboards and Naga 10 button mice. They exist due to the demand. That demand is greater than all of the people playing EvE since it began. Burying heads in the sand won't change that fact.

Confirming OP is another big boob avatar neckbeard ex-WoW instant gratification player. Internet porn is more your speed than EVE. It seems you're just wanting to skip right past content and blaze right through to 'endgame' where you'll just whine about being bored again.

This is a sandbox game, so most of the content is generated by YOU. If you're the self-absorbed, lazy, spoonfed type, then you'll be much happier in a game like SWTOR where everything is given to you on rails and there's no sense of accomplishing anything.

And wtf is up with "EVE is not right for you, go play WoW" mentality? WoW has vast number of casual players, but it also has very competitive PVE and PVP contents for the selective few.

Stop bashing on other games. With "EVE is the greatest game" mentality, there is no where for EVE to go, but down.

You hit a wall that all players of sandbox games hit. It could be EvE or any other, so just to make the point clear, its NOT EVE Online. Its you. That is not necessarily a bad thing, its just that many people can not figure out what to do. Its like asking what are you going to do with your life at a young age. You don't really know, (unless of course you are a driven individual). The answer is, and has always been that;

It is for you to determine and decide.

WoW is the single largest bane to online gaming in its entire history. MMOs used to cater to a select demographic and were much more challenging and rewarding. WoW came along and MMOs went "mainstream" and with it brought in droves of self-entitled weekend warriors that dumbed down gameplay and content. Pretty much every MMO developed since WoW (with few rare exceptions, EVE included) have catered to this new generation of gamers.

EVE isn't the greatest game. It's just the last of a dying breed. Some of us want to keep it that way by keeping the carebears at bay.



Then you're not really playing EVE are you? You're just ISK farming by semi-AFK ice mining. I'll look for your future whine thread when the minerbumpers find you.

If you think EVE Online can sustain itself with few "bitter vets" who don't even pay a single cent to the CCP, you are not only disillusioned, but lacks any understanding on how market functions.

You can keep dreaming about this "glorious past," but if CCP continues to only heed the pleas of these few elite-wannabe bitter vets, it will only alienate new prospective players and completely cut itself off from additional funding in the future.

I have seen your kinds before. You guys are those selective few who resist every changes that a game company tries to make so it could be more accommodating to new players. When the company can not seek funding and closes down, folks like you are the ones who squeal and moan the most about keeping the game alive without having to contribute a single dime at the end.

A good game is a game that maintain a fine balance between softcore and hardcore contents. If CCP listened to you Bitter Vets, it would be where the City Of Heroes would be at by now.

It's a shame then that CCP's development direction, which has been positive towards PvP without giving in to every whim and desire of the carebears, has led to growth!