EVE General Discussion

Hey, you really like to follow me! I didn't recalled the whole dance-> formation flying-> tactical maneuvering suggestion! (The essential point still lies there... the server should reward players who engage in activities that free it from the task of tracking their position)

Anyway I dissent on drone clones (link), as they are are the most lore-sensible way for capsuleers to engage in violent activities. That Team Avatar thought that it made sense for capsuleers to go shoot each other in some derelict station, leaving their deadly ships behind and their disposble crews unbothered, just tells how desperately CCP needed to defuse the situation.

Now that the WiS crowd is largely unsubbed and the issue is not even on the table, i guess they may come up with something that makes more sense whenever they feel the need to keep selling avatar smoke.

Carbon(tm) is the name CCP has given to the all rewritten core functionality.

Partly to enable them to use at least part of their code for other projects than EvE and partly to enable them to rewrite large parts of the current functionality.

The new 3D Avatar code is a tiny fraction of Carbon(tm).

Imagine that CCP was really Cheese Control Production and their more or less only product was a software to optimise the production of sheep milk cheese, jokingly named Eve.

The origins of that program and it's original code went back to a few individuals with limited resources but a grand idea, in s shed on an island at the end of the world (as in Tasmania), so the code was a bit crude, coded to solve specific issues around the production of cheese made out of sheep's milk.

Over the years the company added more people, more resources and continued to hack on the old code from the shed.

And while their product seemed to sell well, and there was no direct threat on the horizon the owners (and staff most likely) know that they where currently safe, mainly because they had limited competition in their quite narrow niche.

So Cheese Control Production faced two problems. Much of the old code was very obscure making it hard to add new nifty features that their customers wanted, and at the same time the code was so written so specifically for sheep cheese that it would be hard to reuse in software for new areas.

So out brave heroes at CCP set out on a new project named Calcium(tm) aimed at rewriting core functionality to make it both a solid foundation for new features in Eve and allow for new projects that shared (hopefully large) parts this new EvE or Calcium(tm) code-base.

One idea was to re-use their knowledge in sheep and add companion product to EvE to actually manage sheep out in the fields.

The other was to use the Calcium(tm) framework to create something similar to EvE, but in a completely new field, goat cheese.

They started their project, or rather projects and initially it seemed to work fine, the users of Eve didn't initially get so many new features, at least not any they've asked for, but they some very nice upgrades in performance and some really nice new or improved features.

The sheep herding project was forked off to a new studio on the other side of the world known for their intimate knowledge of sheep (as in Wales) but it was based on a new platform and used mainly new code, but shared it's connection to Eve since it was about sheep, and Eve could use the same data to create milk.

For the goat cheese project they found a company in Tblisi who had written and published lots of stories and manuals about goats and decided to merge with them to combine their new (and still only partly recoded) Calcium(tm) with the Georgian knowledge of goats.

But after a while CCP ends up in a bit of a mess, they still have limited resources, and their only real source of income is from the users of Eve. Who while happy over the improved infrastructure starts to get a bit miffed over the lack of useful new features, esp since they start to get features that they hadn't asked for and that looked very much like they where intended for the other two projects.

It culminated when a new presentation system was introduced to Eve, which:
a: worked very badly, if at all.
b: didn't add anything to Eve, since there was only the basic interface and nothing new behind it.
c: was obvious that it was added to make it possible for CCP to go on with the Goat project.

To make it worse, there didn't seem to be anything useful coming from either of the two projects.

With the Goat project, who seemed to depend on an interface and barely worked and had a bad habit of destroying computers if left on, being the worst one in the group.

The result was that CCP had to dial back on it's number of employees (who weren't happy to go back to milking sheep or goats), the Goat project was slashed to a minimal survival sized crew and the integration of code between sheep and goat was halted.

So.
Calcium(tm) lived on, since it was much more than the failed presentation layer written mainly for the Goat project.

But until either the Goat side of the show can contribute enough or someone comes up with an actual use of the Goat code in Eve, it will stay as it is.

t.b.h. you can also bruise your nose by walking into THE #$%#ING DOOR!!!

No, that is not what I am saying. I also want Avatar based gameplay; but I do not want it at the expense of EVE Online as the game is now. Thus I proposed an alternative solution where Avatar based gameplay could get a lot of attention and come to market a lot faster.

Yes, people like the Fahzarmadai family like to throw their toys out of the cot if they don't get instant gratification and they're not willing to compromise on something that is at least potentially achievable, but hey.

If I manage to get WiS and delivered by pushing for it to be something capable of attracting its own revenue (Business cases, painful things, right?) then I'll live with being called a troll by a small minded tool.

so you only want to use your avatar for emoting, and 'drone clones' for riskless pve grinding.
no, you undock or step out of that cq you are subject to eve, which means you may be podded.

That's the first thing you have said that was actually useful.

I agree. And you know what, there no CONCORD in stations, only in space. The owning corporation sets all the rules and they also provide the security. As soon as an avatar leaves their CQ, they should be open to the same kind of interactions that can happen to them in space. If they leave their stuff lying around, it should be open to be stolen. If they enter a bar, there should be a chance they cam be poisoned, shot, stabbed, beaten to death and/or blown up.

Long live the sandbox!

Was day dreaming with a friend the other day. Picture this scene:

CCP's GM (or news reporter) have the ability to record/stream video to the big screen in the captains quarters. Whenever something notable happens (big fights, player events, etc), these reporters would teleport to wherever the action is happening and share their camera drone view with people sitting in the CQ.

A person could be sat in their CQ flicking through the channels to see what is happening around the universe, and if he/she is able they could hop in their ship and get involved.

how is this not a direction CCP want to go?

The only consequences that matter are the ones that incentivate to stop the behavior that led to them. And in that sense, EVE's consequences to agressors are laughable.

OH NOES A MAN WIHT TEH MAEKUP.

Is that all you've got? Because I'm pretty sure he'd slip right in to Gallente culture.



From the relevant dev blog:



Emphasis mine.

That's open to debate. I think its about right as is. I don't have expectations for anyone/anything to stop a Gank all the time, but the CONCORD'esque 'vengence' policy works well. As long as its more costly to gank something than it is profitable, it's pretty much covered.

Security status loss, fiscal fines, corporate standings loss, bannings from stations for a set periods. There are several options. Risk free activities, of all varieties, are anathema to the EvE sandbox IMO.