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Estimated Price - Please disable it for now.

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Gryphon Infinite
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-02-20 05:29:52 UTC
The estimated price, when you hover over an inventory item, is pretty pointless right now. Many discussions throughout the past have talked about it, and have verified that it isn't working properly.

Please just disable it for now, it literally doesn't do much, and is an annoyance.

OR

With more effort, make this price just reflect like the cheapest buy order in the region / constellation / system / etc.

Hope to hear everyone's feedback on this phenomena and my idea.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#2 - 2013-02-20 05:30:59 UTC
Agreed that it's often misleading, sometimes outright false. Dump it for now.

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Gryphon Infinite
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-02-20 05:35:36 UTC
Hey there, I really appreciate your speedy response on the subject.

It is nice to see a friendly player who cares about the game and it's well being. I really appreciate your constructive feedback.

Feel free to add me to contacts / and buddy in game too!
Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-02-20 06:51:44 UTC
It makes far more sense to make it work rather then scrap it.

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dark heartt
#5 - 2013-02-20 07:02:20 UTC
How does it actually work out the price it displays? Is it an average of the buy/sell orders or does it work on what CCP thinks the item should be worth?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2013-02-20 07:04:54 UTC
Its the average across EVE, its not ment to be accurate.
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
#7 - 2013-02-20 07:08:20 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Its the average across EVE, its not ment to be accurate.


They really just should hardcode it in to use the 4-4 price if at all possible.
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
#8 - 2013-02-20 07:08:36 UTC
I gotta admit I find it pretty helpful actually, I get the estimated price of my mined ores, and so helps me to plan ahead when saving up for stuff, and Ive found it surprisingly accurate a lot of the time,

keep it I say, or make it an option to disable it,

I mean you don't have to look at it if you don't want to Roll

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Cindy Marco
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-02-20 07:12:45 UTC
I like it, even with its flaws.

It is like getting something appraised in real life. Its a general indicator partially based on what things have sold for in the past, but its not necessarily the price you will be able to get for it if you actually sell it.
Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-02-20 07:13:19 UTC
mechtech wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its the average across EVE, its not ment to be accurate.


They really just should hardcode it in to use the 4-4 price if at all possible.


that would be useless. if anything, regional average would be more useful.

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Dalmont Delantee
Gecko Corp
#11 - 2013-02-20 07:15:35 UTC
As above I find it useful, if you put your items up to sell at the price on it then you are a little bit of a spaz
Kestrix
The Whispering
#12 - 2013-02-20 07:20:00 UTC
Whats wrong with an average estimate? I think this is going to be as good as your going to get. If you want a better idea of an items value then right click and select market transactions.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-02-20 07:21:39 UTC
Sir Substance wrote:
mechtech wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its the average across EVE, its not ment to be accurate.


They really just should hardcode it in to use the 4-4 price if at all possible.


that would be useless. if anything, regional average would be more useful.

How so? Many items are sold in very limited quantity or not at all in every region, so the feature would be totally useless in most areas of space. Now it at least gives a good ballpark figure no matter where you are.
Dante Uisen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-02-20 07:32:22 UTC
Gryphon Infinite wrote:
Please just disable it for now, it literally doesn't do much, and is an annoyance.


How hard it is not to look a the number if you know it's wrong?.

Don't ask to have client usability reduced because there is something you don't understand, or don't know how to use. Someone else might actually use it, if anything ask for the option to enable/disable the displaying of the value.
Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-02-20 07:42:06 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Sir Substance wrote:
mechtech wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its the average across EVE, its not ment to be accurate.


They really just should hardcode it in to use the 4-4 price if at all possible.


that would be useless. if anything, regional average would be more useful.

How so? Many items are sold in very limited quantity or not at all in every region, so the feature would be totally useless in most areas of space. Now it at least gives a good ballpark figure no matter where you are.

Its not at all useless, its highly consistant.

No other market data source is cross-region. Contracts are, the market is not.

By making the feature cross-region, you make it counter intuitive.

If people misattribute where that data is coming from, it will seem useless. This thread is a case in point.

Op assumed the data was regional when it was eve-wide, came and posted a thread asserting it was useless, and here we are, finding as a group that the current implementation is stupid.

Why fix the mistake by performing the same mistake?

Setting the price to the jita price is stupid, because most people are not in jita. traders will find it useful, to everyone else it will be just as nonsensical as todays implementation. The data will still seem to come from nowhere. the fact that it comes from a diferent and highly specific nowhere helps noone except people with freighters hauling stuff to jita. and they can alreadynuse external market aggregators for that.

Implement a current region average, and it conforms with the eve-wide standard, making it more understandable and thus more usable.

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#16 - 2013-02-20 08:29:44 UTC
Well I find it an absolutely wonderful feature, giving me a ballpark figure of the value of the stuff I'm looking at.

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Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#17 - 2013-02-20 08:35:35 UTC
Roime wrote:
Well I find it an absolutely wonderful feature, giving me a ballpark figure of the value of the stuff I'm looking at.


This

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Midiana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-02-20 08:43:52 UTC
I like it too. Its usually pretty accurate. And it gives us a good idea of what we're making in wormholes without a market to look at. It's an estimate, its not meant to be 100% accurate. And as an estimate 90% of the time I find it pretty much bang on.

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Reiisha
#19 - 2013-02-20 09:04:08 UTC
mechtech wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its the average across EVE, its not ment to be accurate.


They really just should hardcode it in to use the 4-4 price if at all possible.


Would be interesting if the market moves at some point. It has in the past.

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Matt Ellis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-02-20 09:24:05 UTC
Ill admit its not 100% accurate. The way i currently understand it, is that it's Eve-wide average so it gives coverage EVERYWHERE in eve. if you were to set it to Jita, then there are some people that don't buy/sell in Jita. If you were to set it to region, then fair enough, it would cover the current region.

I wil ask though. What about Wormholes? We don't have market regions, so this is the only way of quickly working out what our stuff is worth on the fly.

To be honest. It could be reduced in scope. At one point it said our MNR price was like 8m, but it was more like 4.5. Doesn't it grab data from 3 months past?
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