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New dev blog: Ship-troduction: The Minmatar Tornado

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SwissChris1
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#441 - 2011-10-25 14:55:39 UTC
If you can use Large Projectiles why wouldn't you just fly a nano Tempest? Lol
Jenn Makanen
Doomheim
#442 - 2011-10-25 15:07:18 UTC
Interesting.
No drones, no launchers (except for Naga. Which has 8 turret and 8 launcher slots)

With a tornado, you'd need to get a 30% boost to PG, to be able to fit 8 1400's. with nothing else.
Damien White
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#443 - 2011-10-25 15:07:21 UTC
- fast
- small signature
- cheap
- more damage
- more range
- requires less SP
- more scan resolution

Why do you want to use a Tempest?

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Jenn Makanen
Doomheim
#444 - 2011-10-25 15:13:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn Makanen
Because I don't get chewed to death by frigates I can't hit, and have no defences against?

With a couple of launchers and some drones on a Pest, you can take out Frigs. the Nado won't.
Damien White
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#445 - 2011-10-25 15:22:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Damien White
This might be a problem, but as soon as you get 1 or 2 support ships there will be no tomorrow for your target. Tornado + Talos and you have enough web for everything, especialy since the Talos can fit 2 Webbifier without sacrificing Tackle or Propulsion.

Just for Comparison, I tried to rebuild the tornado:

Quote:
[Maelstrom, New Setup 1]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
[empty low slot]

100MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
[empty med slot]

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L

Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I


If you look at the link some posts before you will notice the 2600 base Shield HP for the Tornado, this will result in 40k eff HP and more, while deploying 900 DPS with 50km Falloff, more Speed and agility than a hurricane while having a smaller Signature.

This does look kinda broken, dont you think?

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Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
#446 - 2011-10-25 15:23:05 UTC
Jenn Makanen wrote:
Because I don't get chewed to death by frigates I can't hit, and have no defences against?

With a couple of launchers and some drones on a Pest, you can take out Frigs. the Nado won't.



Well this is true but you should have other fleet with you no one ship should kill them all. I.E. look at the hammer comeing down on Caps just now.

I can see this ships doing well with right fleet make up. They mite do better in small gang warfar though and then again they mite just do well every were.

Is it a rock point a lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship point a lazer at it and profit. I dont see any problems here.
Damien White
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#447 - 2011-10-25 15:39:04 UTC
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/296974_10150362915094394_17614129393_7854984_623570200_n.jpg

Wich one is this? Gallente or Caldari?

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SwissChris1
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#448 - 2011-10-25 15:51:10 UTC
Jenn Makanen wrote:
Because I don't get chewed to death by frigates I can't hit, and have no defences against?

With a couple of launchers and some drones on a Pest, you can take out Frigs. the Nado won't.


This :)

...and don't forget about the two heavy neuts
Gods Coldblood
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#449 - 2011-10-25 16:22:14 UTC
I dunno about you guys but faction battlecruisers sounds pretty sweet to me, if only..

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Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#450 - 2011-10-25 17:28:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Buzzmong
Damien White wrote:
How about this?


Holymoly, have you scanned it for the other changes?

Hybrid boost is rather awesome:

All are getting a 30% reduction in cap use and a small drop in CPU (5%).
Lots are getting a reduction in PG needs. Med and large rails seem to be getting 12% reduction along with all the blasters.
Rails are getting a 10% damage boost across the board.
Blasters seem to be getting a 20% tracking boost for all but the capital versions.

Other notable changes:

Gallente seem to be getting a general 10m/s speed boost alongside a 5% agility nerf across the board.

Destroyers are losing the ROF penalty, gaining HP and gaining a smaller sig.

There's a Dram nerf in there as well alongside the Oneiros boost CCP Tallest has said he's adding.

Looks like there's also T2 mods being added of a number of flavours, as well as changes to the info/warfare links.
CCP Konflikt
Doomheim
#451 - 2011-10-25 17:32:39 UTC
Just going to chime in here, these stats are a 1st pass taken from a chaos build, it hasn't been balanced in any sense and it's going to change before they go out to TQ.

There will be a dev-blog with final stats before they hit TQ.

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Ryunosuke Kusanagi
#452 - 2011-10-25 17:47:38 UTC
it is still a good start though :)
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#453 - 2011-10-25 17:52:59 UTC
CCP Konflikt wrote:
Just going to chime in here, these stats are a 1st pass taken from a chaos build, it hasn't been balanced in any sense and it's going to change before they go out to TQ.

There will be a dev-blog with final stats before they hit TQ.


Aren't you supposed to make a blog before they hit SiSi? Sounds suspicious.

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Abramul
Canadian Forces Corp
United 4 Nations
#454 - 2011-10-25 17:53:58 UTC
I was rather hoping we'd see e-war battleships to match the Scorpion (and another combat battleship for Caldari), but this concept looks pretty cool too.
Realyst
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#455 - 2011-10-25 17:59:06 UTC
CCP Konflikt wrote:
Just going to chime in here, these stats are a 1st pass taken from a chaos build, it hasn't been balanced in any sense and it's going to change before they go out to TQ.

There will be a dev-blog with final stats before they hit TQ.

It would be nice to see it on SiSi before TQ to make some tests and make it more balanced.
Kalmanaka
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#456 - 2011-10-25 18:09:38 UTC
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Aren't you supposed to make a blog before they hit SiSi? Sounds suspicious.


It's only suspicious if you're suffering from the paranoia side effect of smoking too much dope.
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#457 - 2011-10-25 18:20:26 UTC
Kalmanaka wrote:
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Aren't you supposed to make a blog before they hit SiSi? Sounds suspicious.


It's only suspicious if you're suffering from the paranoia side effect of smoking too much dope.

Let me guess - you think current tier2 BC aren't already overpowered?

"Being supporters of free speech and free and open [CSM] elections... we removed Fon Revedhort from eligibility". CCP, April 2013.
Kalmanaka
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#458 - 2011-10-25 21:29:28 UTC
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Kalmanaka wrote:
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Aren't you supposed to make a blog before they hit SiSi? Sounds suspicious.


It's only suspicious if you're suffering from the paranoia side effect of smoking too much dope.

Let me guess - you think current tier2 BC aren't already overpowered?


You apparently didn't see the shield/armor stats. The base tank of these new bc's is about halfway between a cruiser and the tier 1 bc. They fill an entirely different role than the current BC's and must be flown in an entirely different way, so not sure why it matters if the current BC's are overpowered or not.
Neo Agricola
Gallente Federation
#459 - 2011-10-25 21:49:55 UTC
CCP Konflikt wrote:
Just going to chime in here, these stats are a 1st pass taken from a chaos build, it hasn't been balanced in any sense and it's going to change before they go out to TQ.

There will be a dev-blog with final stats before they hit TQ.

I was just joking around, that CCP "accidently" released those stats, so they can get a feedback from the comunity bevor they hit Sisi.
This would enable them to see what the "actual" players would thing about those ships and what they make out of it...

As much as I like the current stats of those ships (they are fast, small and have a lot of DPS), for the sake of EVE I hope you balance them right, so they are not to much "imba". (you can make an exeption for the Gallente one, they need a lot of love)

:-)

Best regards.
Neo.
PS: Thank you for your replay, it shows us, that you acutally read what we write and don't stop reading at page 10.

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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#460 - 2011-10-25 22:47:48 UTC
CCP Konflikt wrote:
stuff.



Jesus, CCP Kornflake using monocles !!

Go get em !