EVE General Discussion

why dont you stop trying to change the game by destroying the company that makes it? This is never gonna be what you want. Move on.

Absolutly.

Go back 3 years in time and see if anyone complained about Incarna back then. A good idea that sadly was executed in the worst possible ways. It's still a good idea.

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We all love EVE and it is pretty sure that there are so many good ways for expansion. As far as I understand it is less about if but when we are going to do all these things. In the upcoming winter expansion we are going to release the three racial Captains quarters, new ships, features and a lot of stuff.

Yep... I can't think any other company what would present playable tech demo to their customers, ditch it down to drain and start building new one from scratch, only to realize that the end product is total piece of junk :)

It really takes skills and eventually will make Incarna compete about the NukeDukem "forever"-title. Only few more years to go.

Respectfully, although you repeat that point often, it is not correct.

They cannot continue development the way the have in the past, this includes development of classic FIS EVE content. Hilmars interview pointed out many serious issues with how development (including the process of getting feedback from the community, and the level of effort and time required to keep the various teams/locations in sync) resources were not being utilized effectively. Even with FIS content they have been digging the hole of unfinished content deeper and deeper over the years, and it's starting to have a serious negative effect.

The truth is that on all levels they need to change HOW they have been doing things. Much of the necessary restructuring has been done or is currently underway (regretfully at the cost of many good employees), and the benefits are starting to show already.

Bottom line: Developing Incarna did not do the damage to CCP. HOW they went about doing it did.

I for one hope that CCP puts at least part of their development team on WiS. Maybe just 1 team dedicated to it. The potential for WiS is so awesome, even if it never gets used for more than a glorified lobby where people can sit at a bar or balcony and talk. Slowly add small features to it, not full-blown expansions. Every month add a little bit. A few Agents here and there, maybe add a balcony where you can see the Empress Jamyl in the distance with a full ensemble of guards and spectators.

I don't roleplay, at least not in the sense that true RPers do. What I do is I look at the environment and back story, and connect myself with it so I have a more meaningful experience. Maybe give us the ability to speak with our lvl 4 agents "off the grid" to get some secret missions with dark political implications. The potential here is so enormous it's no wonder you haven't built anything for it. Where do you start?

Start small! Get us the multi-player aspect, with some NPC run bars and NPC's walking around in the distance to give it some feeling of life. Then give us something else that's small in the next patch. Then something small in the next. Give a general focus to what you want us to eventually have, and just put pieces here and there.

Give us something! I hate to see this technology show up and then the code start collecting dust like what happened to FW. I don't want to wait however many years those FW guys have been waiting, just to see another iteration on WiS.

Give everybody what they want. Give us our WiS, even in small pieces. Focus on FiS, as you should. It's what everybody wants to some degree. But there's a lot of us out there that want WiS just as bad.

CCP has said over and over that you're focusing on what the players want. Do us a favor and do exactly that. Work on what *all* of us want, not just the majority. Even if it only happens every 3 months or so, throw us a bone!

Well... To be fair we'll get all 4 CQ's soon.

I would say the next step should be to let us invite friends to our CQ if we happen to be on same station.

The whole point of incarna is to give us a tool to socialize. In that, incarna was a total fail.

I always compare the concept of incarna to the playstation's home social network. This is a good exemple of what icarna can bring to the table.

What's the point in being able to walk around in station if you can't interact with the other 1,500+ people in the station?

Allowing us to walk out of an empty captain's quarter and into an empty station or a station with only NPCs to interact with...what's the point of that?

Why even bother spending resources on that?

I'm glad CCP spent resource on a workable FP avatar model like Dust than expanding CQ into walking around empty station.

Abadon WiS.

Than i suggest your read it again.

OP refers to interviews that suggest that WiS isn't being our of the priority list of even post-poned. Rather it seems that CCP intends to burry the whole project. There might be some missinterpretation there, but unless it is denied that seems to be the plan.

As you said, you have to make some compromises.

I Agree