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POSes: I am a small portion of the community

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#2281 - 2013-01-19 21:11:20 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
I urge CCP to consider how most everyone in this thread is either a current resident of 0.0 or an alt of one.

What this is really about, is stopping or at least delaying the 0.0 sov changes you are working on, by making you 'refocus' on something else that will keep the game in the doldrums of mediocrity where they continue to thrive. Gee, that sounds familiar.


Well, either a resident of 0.0, or WHs, or low, or high ... you know, the people a POS revamp would have an effect upon. I disagree that it would take everyone in CCP working full time only on POSs to get it done in a year. If that is reality, then they have other issues as a gaming company.


A POS revamp would arguably improve things for me more than anyone, being as i have ridiculously high standings with Gallente and Minmatar, and have even operated a business setting up hisec POS in the past. Yet i am still saying changes to 0.0 sov is a much more important issue because it truly and objectively is. People can still use POS as things are now, but only a small percentage of the playerbase can use 0.0 space.

And we agree it wouldn't take every resource CCP has to improve POS, but this thread is pretty much saying "drop everything and work on POS" which is what i disagree with. Very few people here seem content with 0.0 sov being the primary dev focus right now, and i wonder why that is.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Rengerel en Distel
#2282 - 2013-01-19 21:49:56 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:

A POS revamp would arguably improve things for me more than anyone, being as i have ridiculously high standings with Gallente and Minmatar, and have even operated a business setting up hisec POS in the past. Yet i am still saying changes to 0.0 sov is a much more important issue because it truly and objectively is. People can still use POS as things are now, but only a small percentage of the playerbase can use 0.0 space.

And we agree it wouldn't take every resource CCP has to improve POS, but this thread is pretty much saying "drop everything and work on POS" which is what i disagree with. Very few people here seem content with 0.0 sov being the primary dev focus right now, and i wonder why that is.


I think most people envision a POS revamp that actually leads to 0.0 sov being changed. Personal modular POS would be conflict drivers if they do it right. They'd bring in more small gangs. They'd perhaps make the major alliances decide if they really want to defend every backwater system just because, or give it up to small squatters. They'd allow the membership to start churning out industry instead of only a few people because of corp roles. They'd also give CCP a reason to remove a majority of npc slots from high/low sec, again leading to more industry in null. Etc. etc. The POS revamp could be a major shift in game play if only they'd put in the :effort: to do it right.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Kvanta Kaifat
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2283 - 2013-01-19 21:51:41 UTC
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Cameron Jaynara
Bohemian Worms
Hole Control
#2284 - 2013-01-19 21:56:54 UTC
POS revamp for the win!
Ianzgnome
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2285 - 2013-01-19 22:06:57 UTC
I live in a wormhole and pos's need a change fix it!
erik520
Newfab Mining Corp
#2286 - 2013-01-19 22:41:25 UTC
Shocked pos love please! revamp
Neotin Nahrain
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2287 - 2013-01-19 22:42:31 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:


I think most people envision a POS revamp that actually leads to 0.0 sov being changed. Personal modular POS would be conflict drivers if they do it right. They'd bring in more small gangs. They'd perhaps make the major alliances decide if they really want to defend every backwater system just because, or give it up to small squatters. They'd allow the membership to start churning out industry instead of only a few people because of corp roles. They'd also give CCP a reason to remove a majority of npc slots from high/low sec, again leading to more industry in null. Etc. etc. The POS revamp could be a major shift in game play if only they'd put in the :effort: to do it right.


QFT
Tribunus Taurus
SON OF RAVANA
#2288 - 2013-01-19 22:45:36 UTC
POS needs work, for all the above reasons.


Trib
Allison A'vani
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2289 - 2013-01-19 22:48:56 UTC
Please improve the POS system k thx.
Codex Allure
AllureCo
#2290 - 2013-01-19 23:02:56 UTC
FIX POS PLZ... LIKE FOR REAL
Mawderator
ElitistOps
Deepwater Hooligans
#2291 - 2013-01-19 23:05:31 UTC
As someone who runs capital escalations in wormholes, this is desperately needed.
Jaenen
Recettear Acquisitions LTD
#2292 - 2013-01-19 23:21:57 UTC
I'm currently living out of a POS in W-space, something I've done several times in the past. Certainly the current POS system functions but it hardly does so well - we could really, really use an update to them to streamline their functionality.
Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2293 - 2013-01-19 23:41:34 UTC
Another thing: in the minutes You guys say again and again that You want to make Enablers life easier - and at the same time, you shove away redesign of one of the biggest pain in the butt for us.

Good job.
Marcus Rufus
Doom Generation
Best Intentions.
#2294 - 2013-01-20 00:18:11 UTC
CCP, the POS system needs a serious rework and progress needs to happen soon. It is absolutely miserable living and managing POS's and making them accessible and usable by everyone will make our lives easier and couple very easily attract many new players.

Thank you,

M. Rufus
Skotykus
Griffin Capsuleers
Ad-Astra
#2295 - 2013-01-20 00:21:52 UTC
As a person who manages POS in HS and WH, both would greatly benefit from a POS mechanics overhaul.
ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#2296 - 2013-01-20 00:50:38 UTC  |  Edited by: ExookiZ
I haven't read all 115 pages and I am sure this has all been said already. But the only reason EVERYONE isn't using a pos is because they suck.

What happened to the CCP we talked to at fanfest? Everyone thought POSes were so important, and the possibilities so exciting that the POS roundtable went an hour and a half overtime, only ending because CCP had to leave to go get drunk.

What we discussed, sketched up and imagined there was the greatest stuff ever. The devs at the roundtable seemed so excited and enthusiastic to tackle this. What happened? You started and realized it would be hard and gave up? That is the dumbest reason ever. To be clear if that isn't the reason thats what it sounds like.

In countless places throughout the CSM you bring up a "theme" and keep telling us you want an expansion that touches everything. POSes ARE that theme. For some reason your looking around the obvious contestant, searching for something that is less sought after, and less important.

SO yu understand, this game mechanic is something that LOSES you customers. I know people that have quit after burning themselves out after trying to manage multiple poses. No one plays eve to feel like its work, and POSes are the closest to a job I have found thus far in eve. I am not asking for something stupidly simple, but at least make my effort worth something.

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Skoticus
Griffin Capsuleers
Ad-Astra
#2297 - 2013-01-20 00:51:24 UTC
Skotykus wrote:
As a person who manages POS in HS and WH, both would greatly benefit from a POS mechanics overhaul.


I second that.
Allison A'vani
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2298 - 2013-01-20 04:06:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Allison A'vani
ExookiZ wrote:
I haven't read all 115 pages and I am sure this has all been said already. But the only reason EVERYONE isn't using a pos is because they suck.

What happened to the CCP we talked to at fanfest? Everyone thought POSes were so important, and the possibilities so exciting that the POS roundtable went an hour and a half overtime, only ending because CCP had to leave to go get drunk.

What we discussed, sketched up and imagined there was the greatest stuff ever. The devs at the roundtable seemed so excited and enthusiastic to tackle this. What happened? You started and realized it would be hard and gave up? That is the dumbest reason ever. To be clear if that isn't the reason thats what it sounds like.

In countless places throughout the CSM you bring up a "theme" and keep telling us you want an expansion that touches everything. POSes ARE that theme. For some reason your looking around the obvious contestant, searching for something that is less sought after, and less important.

SO yu understand, this game mechanic is something that LOSES you customers. I know people that have quit after burning themselves out after trying to manage multiple poses. No one plays eve to feel like its work, and POSes are the closest to a job I have found thus far in eve. I am not asking for something stupidly simple, but at least make my effort worth something.



THIS +10000000, this exactly. There is so much room for amazingness if you revamp the POS system. You give life to smaller alliances trying to do their push into 0.0. Fix the broken stupidness of losing minerals at a POS refinery and actually make the interface decent. Make it so that I don't want to kill myself if I use a POS with guns other than amarr (seriously I would literally never ever use any POS other than amarr since there is no way I am going to go to 30 guns individually and reload them when they run out of ammo). Ship assembly array should have the rang of the POS field it is just ******** that it doesn't. The list goes on for quite a bit more but those are the big ones in my book.
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#2299 - 2013-01-20 04:21:57 UTC
My name is Amyclas Amatin, a returning newcomer after 5 years. And I support this petition.

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Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"

Resilan Bearcat
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2300 - 2013-01-20 04:35:58 UTC
As a director in a wormhole corporation, I would love to see the POS revamp be the highest priority until it is completed.

/support