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POSes: I am a small portion of the community

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Zanmaru
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2201 - 2013-01-19 01:44:27 UTC
Junko Sideswipe wrote:
Faction war is garbage.


Uhhhhhh... no. There's room for improvement, sure, but no.

+1 for POS revamp
Van Slyke
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2202 - 2013-01-19 01:48:44 UTC
I've lived in w-space for over 2 years now. For the love of Bob will you fix POS's already? We've paid our dues
Merouk Baas
#2203 - 2013-01-19 01:52:09 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
What was more important than fixing poses?
What would affect a larger playerbase than fixing poses?
What have you dedicated some portion of resources to, that might have otherwards gone toward expiditing a pos fix?


DUST 514. They don't want to take the Dust team and put them to work on EVE POSes.

We're confusing things a little bit in this thread:

- Fixing the POS game mechanic, adding security, making a nice user interface, whatever, that's doable, and they never refused to do that (eventually).

- Coding new station modules that you can walk inside of, which is what the original "Modular POS" idea was, requires all the art and animation guys that are currently working on DUST. They cannot take those guys away from DUST.


Celly S
Neutin Local LLC
#2204 - 2013-01-19 01:53:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Celly S
silens vesica wrote:


What I'd really like (VERY LOW PRIORITY!) is an in-game mechanism whereby I can hack into it and take it over - Squatting in someone else's derelict tower seems kinda like a fun opportunity to get some pew-pew going on.
Twisted



That's easy
Codebreaking, since each POS has a small power source that runs the computer that starts the reaction when there's fuel in it.
if you "hack" the POS's computer (which is online because of that start-up power source) you can rewrite it's software to recognize you/your corp as the new owner and accept your commands.
It would require hacking specialization (new skill book) and at minimum a Tech 2 codebreaker and the chances of success would still be low.
it would only work on offlined POSes in WH space because there's no access to the communications beacons there, so the Tower wouldn't be able to authenticate/deny your commands remotely and once you put fuel in it to bring it online, it would configure itself fully to your command codes and if someone came back?, well, they'd have to fight for it i'd think.

short version of course


o/
Celly

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.

J Drez
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2205 - 2013-01-19 01:53:52 UTC
+1

Two Step I love you
Celly S
Neutin Local LLC
#2206 - 2013-01-19 02:10:06 UTC
Bo Red wrote:
Batelle wrote:
... Also, they require corporate-level faction standings in hisec, so you either need to kick everyone out of the corp for a week or form a shell corp just to anchor one...


This is a pretty broken way of doing things, I think. At least, they should only base it mainly on the CEO's and/or Directors' standings and make a skill like Diplomacy mollify the effect of corp members standings.


My corp CEO toon has SOV to 3 or 4 at the moment, I'd have absolutely no problem training "Corporate Diplomacy" on him and then updating the corp with his skills to achieve better "corp" standings with the factions even though some of the members` standings aren't that great.

o/
Celly

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.

Celly S
Neutin Local LLC
#2207 - 2013-01-19 02:14:19 UTC
EvEa Deva wrote:
+1 for self destruct button on a POS doing doomsday damage to everyone within 100km



well, if you have to go out, might as well go out big huh???

:P

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.

Trader13
NOT A FRONT
#2208 - 2013-01-19 02:44:50 UTC
As someone who interacts with the horrible pos system on a daily basis, the talk of a pos revamp was one of the most exciting prospects on the horizon.

Please don't continue to delay addressing the issues them.
Metralha100
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2209 - 2013-01-19 03:39:05 UTC
CCP, you promised. Keep your promise!
Allota Lovin
Doomheim
#2210 - 2013-01-19 04:56:58 UTC
I have lived in a wh for 2 years and have had hi sec pos's for several years. Please fight for the modular pos, I believe a lot more people are affected by pos's than they admit. Full support for the long promised pos changes. An expansion dedicated just to pos's sounds great to me.
Luna Moonraker
LUNA-CORP
#2211 - 2013-01-19 04:57:28 UTC
Fully support the OP.

A revamp of the POS system, especially a modular design, would provide much that is missing now. Both in design and functionality.
Zalzany Gerran
Rogue Prankapple Squadron
#2212 - 2013-01-19 05:14:20 UTC
With the population of players finally growing to a respectable amount, as in I can recruit WoW players with out getting laughed at. I got to say its a bit overdo. I personally just got back into the game, tried it 6 years ago and wasn't happy with the rough start. Right now with out POS, the idea of doing profitable production is just a joke, 20-60 day research ques are the biggest reason I am trying to get access to my alliances's POS.

Its just sad to think about how many new players there are out there using unrehearsed BPOs, especially since most don't realize if they sold their building mats they would make quite a bit more isk, with out that research.
Dolorous Tremmens
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2213 - 2013-01-19 05:15:47 UTC
Give the POS some Lovin! Better placement interfaces, automated turret deployment and reloading, better gunnery interface, more toys and BETTER GRAPHICS AND MODELS!

Get some Eve. Make it yours.

Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#2214 - 2013-01-19 05:33:35 UTC
Dolorous Tremmens wrote:
Give the POS some Lovin! Better placement interfaces, automated turret deployment and reloading, better gunnery interface, more toys and BETTER GRAPHICS AND MODELS!


You are asking for too much. What you want would require input from at least three of their teams, who seem to work together like oil and water do.

Suppose they just fix the interface first?
Acac Sunflyier
Pulling The Plug
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#2215 - 2013-01-19 05:41:43 UTC
Honestly, kinda glad. I like the current force-field mechanics
Cyprus Black
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#2216 - 2013-01-19 06:28:40 UTC
Does anyone else find it troubling that we have to put forth all this effort into convincing CCP that POS mechanics are a significant problem? Doesn't this sort of CCP denialism harken back to the days of Pre Incarna and the hubris of CCPs lead designer?

I find it troubling.

Summary of EvEs last four expansions: http://imgur.com/ZL5SM33

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#2217 - 2013-01-19 06:31:27 UTC
Two step wrote:
Lets try playing nice until the planning process is done, to start with.


What about soliciting ideas from the playerbase to aid in the planning process? Or is it already far too late for that?

Specifically, addressing issues raised by CCPs Gargant and Seagull:

  1. Do we put modules inside or outside? (both!)
  2. Where do we start? (e.g.: shoebox in space: just an anchorable place where we can "dock")
  3. Where to go from there? (e.g.: personally anchorable shoebox, then start working on revamped access controls that apply only to modular starbases)


Even the appearance of having some contribution to the discussion may be enough to turn people from "damn, they're abandoning POSes" to "hooray! they're working on POSes!"
Tythihoz
Lycosa Syndicate
#2218 - 2013-01-19 06:43:24 UTC
The current PoS system is really in need of a revamp.
There's so many changes that could be done

So yes, I'm all for the change of the current PoS system.
Smokay
Yo Mr. White
#2219 - 2013-01-19 06:48:34 UTC
A revamped POS system would definitely get me more interested in w-space. +1
IIFraII
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#2220 - 2013-01-19 07:40:50 UTC
Do something CCP!

Don't make wh folks angry, who knows what could happen should a wh open above Iceland! Evil

Seriously, we have endured awful pos mechanics enough.